pappde Posted December 14, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is the Leica X1 the DMD (Decisive Moment Digital)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nhabedi Posted December 14, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 14, 2009 For some it is, for some it isn't... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPS3000 Posted December 14, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 14, 2009 Is the Leica X1 the DMD (Decisive Moment Digital)? That is something, one has to decide for oneself ... not for everyone else, as the DMD is a personal definition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted December 15, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 15, 2009 No. With this camera, you must work either by autofocus, which is too slow (good for posed pictures, no good for catching a moment) or with zone focusing, which won't work well (no focusing marks beyond 2m, camera forgets the focus setting when it goes to sleep -- it's like living with someone who has Korsakoff's Syndrome). Therefore, the X1 is not for me. The old man from the Age Before Mobile Phone Cams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted December 15, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 15, 2009 Depends how you use it. You can pre-focus and await the moment. You can also zone focus and pull the camera up to eyeball and snap. But X1 doesn't have the lock on decisive moment-ability. Lots of digital cameras will help you achieve it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted December 15, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 15, 2009 Zone focusing presupposes that you have a distance to set your lens to, and that distance should be longer than 2m. You must be able also to set the lens to distances like 3, 5 and 10m, and make it stay there until you deliberately change it. You cannot have a 2000 dollar camera that functions like a mobile phone. People will not spend that amount of money just to get a bigger image file (and no phone ...) The X2, if there is one, should have BOTH a fast active AF system -- laser-based, probably -- AND a focus dial similar to the present speed and aperture dials. If speed and aperture deserve manually settable dials, why not focusing? Because some genius said "but this is a autofucus camera"! So it is. But even if the AF had been useable, a camera in this (intended) class should deserve a focus dial. Also, the camera must have both a built-in optical finder -- with a reliable index marker for the AF -- and a flash shoe. Back to the drawing board, ye Gnomes of Solms! The alternative, of course, is to put in the missing phone. The old man from the blissful Age of Box Cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted December 16, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have you used the camera yet? I was not aware that the production versions were on the market yet? Why would I want a built in finder when a clip on works just as well and can be removed for those of us who don't mind composition on screen? The concept is a digital Minilux/CM, not a digital CL. That would cost $4000, not $2000. By the way, I'll bet the lousiest af system on any point and shoot on the market is faster than 90% of the tax accountants and pediatrists with an M camera when shooting pictures of the family pet or the lamp next to the keyboard;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted December 16, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 16, 2009 I have tried a demo camera. I am not making problems up out of thin air. The old man from the Age of the Rollei 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 16, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 16, 2009 Does DMD mean it can only be used by dentists? Daft question, a bit like the chap who referred to the "end of history". Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted December 16, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 16, 2009 Does DMD mean it can only be used by dentists? Ask Jaap... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted December 16, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 16, 2009 i don't get the "decisive moment" vs. AF problem when the same folks want a (1) speed dial, (2) an aperture dial and a (3) focus dial to fiddle with before the "moment" is lost .... who can operate 3 dials faster than the cameras AF chip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted December 16, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 16, 2009 i don't get the "decisive moment" vs. AF problem when the same folks want a (1) speed dial, (2) an aperture dial and a (3) focus dial to fiddle with before the "moment" is lost .... who can operate 3 dials faster than the cameras AF chip? Lots of people can, it's a matter of experience and training. You usually have all of these values preset correctly. As for aperture and speed, it's not that the exposure changes all the time. To the contrary, if you've measured the exposure correctly once (maybe with an incident light meter), chances are you'll trump an automatic system which might be confused by light or dark areas. As for focus, again that can be preset (has been discussed pretty often recently, search for "zone focus"). Or it can be set/adjusted while you raise the camera to your eye. Those things don't work the first time you try them, but after a couple hundred shots they can become second nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted December 16, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 16, 2009 nhabedi i liked your first resonse ...." for some it is, for some it isn't". every design has it's quirks and "workarounds" and it's up to people to decided if they want to live with them or not. i personally LOVE mechanical dials and hate electronic menus, but for sure every digital camera i ever owned (a few olympus's, panasonics and the D2) can take an extremely nice "decisive moment" (snapshot) faster than i can manually think and reset iso, shutter, aperture and focus to event in front of me. if some people can do that, so be it .... i personally can't twiddle with 4 settings faster than my cameras can. PS .... i am sure the X1 will gain the "manual focus resume" feature that the DL4/LX3 just got, so preseting thye X1 focus will be easy (someday?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taildraggin Posted December 16, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 16, 2009 The test: would we have any hope of capturing this image with any less luck than HCB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delnerdo Posted December 22, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 22, 2009 The engineers probably had DMD in mind when they contrived the new image stabilization scheme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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