spylaw4 Posted December 12, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) In view of the content on the Bar and "criminals" threads and taking up James' excellent suggestion, how about a meet in early January to provoke the security guards in the City? I'm just going out now, but I"ll be back in a few hours to post my suggestions for where and what sort of route/buildings we might target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted December 12, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 12, 2009 Brian, Definately, although I'm not out to deliberately provoke anyone but it would be interesting to see what if any reaction a group of us wandering around taking photos of 'non tourist' sites would see. There is the PNAT meeting in January in Trafalgar Square - I'll attend that too if I can. We could even meet up earlier that day and continue on to the PNAT meet, although I think it would ideally be best to have a meet on another date, to keep momentum going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted December 12, 2009 Agreed I was thinking of the 16th - the week before Phnat. Suggest meet at "The Rising Sun" adj. St Bartholomew's then progress out via Merrill Lynch, the new City of london Info Centre at St Paul's, along Cheapside or Gresham st. via Bank to Lloyds, Willis Building and The Gherkin. Plus anything else one can think of. Heron Building in bishopsgate springs to mind. That ought to provoke something! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 13, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 13, 2009 Could be interested but two weekends on the row might be hard to justify wife my wife. Anyway I prefer James's idea of maybe meeting up before the Pnat meeting in Trafalgar square which really could be more important. Also I'm not really sure I would want to deliberately antagonise burly security Guard. I do find this a interesting topic anyway as being a leica photographer I do try to stick out as little as possible. maybe a discussion could be had on this point elsewhere on the forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 13, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 13, 2009 I couldn't possibly do two weekends in a row, but I might be able to attend the phnat meeting. Unless we are arrested, why not combine the two? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted December 13, 2009 Combining does seem like a good idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted December 14, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting link here. Police crackdown on City photographers news - Amateur Photographer - news, camera reviews, lens reviews, camera equipment guides, photography courses, competitions, photography forums So far as I am aware, there is no evidence that terrorists have ever photographed a target prior to an attack. I cannot recall an occasion when it has been mentioned in a trial, for example. What is known that terrorists have carried explosives in backpacks, yet the police are not stopping wearers on a frequent basis. It would create too much work and resentment from the public. The police do have a difficult job, but there is an incredible level of paranoia at the moment. Amateur Photographer seems to be documenting incidents almost daily. Regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 14, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 14, 2009 The 7/7 bombers are alleged to have done, but given that their crime never came to trial for obvious reasons, the evidence wasn't shown. It's a good way for the authorities to exercise control though - through an unproven allegation. After all, it's the control that's important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted December 14, 2009 Way to combine - meet in Trafalgar Square 12 noon - depart at say 12:30-ish for a swift lunch in The Chandos (?) then off to the City for the later afternoon, remembering that it will get dark 16:00 or thereabouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 14, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 14, 2009 Brian, I've posted a query on the PNAT Facebook page to try to find out some more details about their event - as it doesn't start until noon it might be a little early to leave at 12:30pm. I'll post back if/when I get a response. If it is intended to last a while, maybe we could start earlier for a city walk, and then get the tube down to Charing X for noon for the meet (and meet up with other forum members who can't join the city walk), followed by a late lunch/beer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted December 14, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 14, 2009 The 7/7 bombers are alleged to have done, but given that their crime never came to trial for obvious reasons, the evidence wasn't shown. It's a good way for the authorities to exercise control though - through an unproven allegation. After all, it's the control that's important. I suspect that there is a subtext here, since alerting security guards and others to watch out for photography as being a suspicious activity also keeps them on the lookout for genuine threats, which fortunately are much rarer occurrences. Hitting on the occasional photographer also makes it appear to the public at large that the police are being vigilant, without making the country seem like a police state. As most of us are white males, there cannot be any accusation of prejudice either. I am not sure why the 7/7 bombers would have needed to take photographs as they targeted the London transport system. If any terrorists had photographed their targets, either here or elsewhere in the world, you can be sure that the authorities would have made it known to justify their actions. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted December 14, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 14, 2009 I'm up for it. I'm 50 on 21st. Wonder if I'll be in jail before, on or after my birthday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 14, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 14, 2009 Please not 'Chandos' as the food is awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 14, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 14, 2009 Could be an idea to keep a copy of this with you Metropolitan Police Service - About the Met - Photography advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted December 15, 2009 Brian, I've posted a query on the PNAT Facebook page to try to find out some more details about their event - as it doesn't start until noon it might be a little early to leave at 12:30pm. I'll post back if/when I get a response. If it is intended to last a while, maybe we could start earlier for a city walk, and then get the tube down to Charing X for noon for the meet (and meet up with other forum members who can't join the city walk), followed by a late lunch/beer? Yes - I was worried about timing too James. I was hesitant about going for a meet before Phnat - but I can certainly make e.g Smithfield area or Liverpool Street by around 10:30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted December 15, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 15, 2009 Yes - I was worried about timing too James. I was hesitant about going for a meet before Phnat - but I can certainly make e.g Smithfield area or Liverpool Street by around 10:30 I expect to be in even earlier and could be at Smithfield/Liverpool Street around the same time. Pettycoat Lane, Spittlefields etc is all close by. Good place to try to get arrested, Liverpool Street what with the 'cop-shop' on Bishopsgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 15, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 15, 2009 How about Liverpool St then for 10:30am meet up, a leisurely stroll down into the city (maybe St Mary Axe, Leadenhall Market, Lloyds building etc., down to Monument where we can catch the tube or bus up to Trafalgar Square for noon? Those who don't want to or can't make the earlier start can meet up at the Square, we can linger around there for a while then head off for a late lunch at a nearby bar (the pubs will be a little quieter then too) assuming we're not all behind bars instead! (no response to my request for further info on the nature of the PNAT event so far). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeingeye Posted December 15, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 15, 2009 Some common sense from Yates of the Yard here, which will not apply in the City of London which has its own force and must certainly be a designated area. Guidance issued to MPS officers and staff re stop and search photo policy - Metropolitan Police Service Regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 15, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 15, 2009 Italian student tells of arrest while filming for fun | UK news | The Guardian This really has got to stop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve kessel Posted December 15, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 15, 2009 There was an item on BBC news this evening about how the police actually caught someone who on face value appeared to be taking "reconnaissance" pictures of tube stations with his mobile phone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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