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Color profiles for M8


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Several people have posted M8 examples and mentioned that the color is not quite there yet for them yet (even using IR filters). I have no experience working with profiles in C1 nor have I used the M8 so I am wondering: is this easily solvable? Is this something that requires a new profile? Will Phase One do this, and will they ultimately have a "with IR" and "without IR" profile? Or, is there something else that needs to be done to improve the color on images (beyond IR filters)?

 

The reason I ask is that I am very interested in possibly purchasing an M8, but want to make sure that, soon, down the road, any (non-IR) color issues are solved (or maybe they are already!).

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the truth is the colour is probably never completely right for any camera in every situation

even changing lenses can alter colour characteristics

 

and the subject material matters too

promotional stuff is generally more saturated

where portraits somewhat less so, because this is usually more flattering

 

Riley

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It is a matter of taste as well. I don't think the colours in the final print are an absolute.

 

I agree with this and Riley's comment.

 

I think that others have commented on skin tones/color with the M8 and I have seen a bunch of examples where I (subjectively) would agree that the skin tones are a bit off.

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>It's not just the M8, it's all kinds of DSLRs as well, also the R-D1, etc.

 

Right. You hardly ever want the "right" color but pleasing colors instead (big difference). Unless you do reproduction work of course. Mostly skin tones are critical to be pleasing and hardly ever correct.

 

Note: We often hear "camera A does not produce the right colors". You don't even know, because all you will ever see is the result from different raw processor (also the camera JPEGs are produced by an in camera raw processor). Also the generic profiles used in these RAW processors may not match your taste.

 

 

Please read this article:

 

Art of RAW Conversion #020 @Digital Outback Photo

 

Uwe

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>It's not just the M8, it's all kinds of DSLRs as well, also the R-D1, etc.

 

Right. You hardly ever want the "right" color but pleasing colors instead (big difference). Unless you do reproduction work of course. Mostly skin tones are critical to be pleasing and hardly ever correct.

 

Note: We often hear "camera A does not produce the right colors". You don't even know, because all you will ever see is the result from different raw processor (also the camera JPEGs are produced by an in camera raw processor). Also the generic profiles used in these RAW processors may not match your taste.

 

 

Please read this article:

 

Art of RAW Conversion #020 @Digital Outback Photo

 

Uwe

 

Hi Uwe,

 

Agreed. One thing that we should expect with the M8 filters is a new C1 profile designed to work with them. But people will still have their own ideas about what consitutes "good color" and custom profiles will still be a good idea.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Thanks Uwe and Sean.

 

Do you guys currently have a profile that you like with your M8s? (I recall Sean mentioning something about needing to work on the color of some wedding photos -- have you settled on a profile that is working well for you?) (I have never tried to make a profile myself, nor do I think I am sophisticated enough to do this, so hoping to get a good one "off the shelf.")

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Thanks Uwe and Sean.

 

Do you guys currently have a profile that you like with your M8s? (I recall Sean mentioning something about needing to work on the color of some wedding photos -- have you settled on a profile that is working well for you?) (I have never tried to make a profile myself, nor do I think I am sophisticated enough to do this, so hoping to get a good one "off the shelf.")

 

Not yet. I'm waiting to see what the color rendition will look like with Leica's filters. Until then, I'm using the stock profile or Jamie's latest.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Not yet. I'm waiting to see what the color rendition will look like with Leica's filters. Until then, I'm using the stock profile or Jamie's latest.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

 

Thanks. Makes sense. Do you think C1 will update their profile at that point too?

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I agree yes they will, there a good company and i am sure fully aware of the IR issue and I would bet working very closly with Leica on this.

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