smoody Posted December 6, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I haven't seen this one posted yet. If it has, my apologies... Camera Corner: The Leica M9 - The Digital Journalist I haven't read many reviews, so perhaps other reviewers have done this, but I found his test related changes to dynamic range at differing ISO speeds interesting. And, I agree with all of his conclusions... just my two cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 6, 2009 It was posted before - I have two issues with it - Somebody should teach his proofreader how to spell rationalisation -I had to look twice to understand what he meant- and he should point out that the size of the buffer and speed of processing may be important to some users - for the vast majority there is no need to improve on it for everyday shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted December 6, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 6, 2009 I disagree. The buffer on the M9 is joke,. When I tested the M9 it froze up after only a less than 12 image in about a minute. And it took along time for the camera to unfreeze to let me capture more images. And than only one or two than it froze again. I cant speak for the vast majority, but really, a $8,000(Can) camera should have a better buffer than it does. Perhaps in time there will be a buffer upgrade similar to the D3:). The M9 buffer and the bizarre way it handles lens like the 21 4 SuperAngulon and the 15 Voitlander 4.5 are no small issues if you ask me. gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted December 6, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 6, 2009 I disagree. The buffer on the M9 is joke,. When I tested the M9 it froze up after only a less than 12 image in about a minute. [...] gregory If they increase the buffer size, they may have to raise the price to $10K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 6, 2009 I disagree. The buffer on the M9 is joke,. When I tested the M9 it froze up after only a less than 12 image in about a minute. And it took along time for the camera to unfreeze to let me capture more images. And than only one or two than it froze again. I cant speak for the vast majority, but really, a $8,000(Can) camera should have a better buffer than it does.Perhaps in time there will be a buffer upgrade similar to the D3:). The M9 buffer and the bizarre way it handles lens like the 21 4 SuperAngulon and the 15 Voitlander 4.5 are no small issues if you ask me. gregory I could understand this post if it were true. I tested it two minutes ago. Card: Sandisk UltraII 16Gb, camera to standard release and DNG uncompressed. set to C. I pressed down the shutter. It took 7 shots at 2 fps and slowed down to just under 1 fps and simply went on firing. I released the shutter button at shot # 70.... I tried the same at Jpg fine and the result was exactly the same, except I stopped at shot # 40. I now have 110 shots to delete. So what the heck are you talking about? And an antique and an el-cheapo third party lens give results that are not optimal. Wow.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 6, 2009 Don't understand the buffer issue, have shot my M9 for a couple of weeks with no problems what so ever. no freeze up, no jams, not funny business... just great digital files. Maybe I got a bad one... because mine seems to be one that just work as expected all the time. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Shocking, now that I read the "review". Clearly - the man is a experienced rangefinder user, and as such he promptly pointed out the real flaws in the M9.... Lack of live-view and no video...! For those still on the fence, read this and know for sure that this camera will not do video - obviously this is a big issue since we were all waiting for you-tube movie productions from Leica M cameras. yawn for sure. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted December 6, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 6, 2009 What kind of cards are you guys using? The lecia rep had a 1 gig:confused:. And my D3 use bigger flash cards. Perhaps my results are a result of the 1 gig card?. Im sorry if my experience with the M9 are out of sync with the M9 and a nice fat 16 gig card. I beg forgiveness and plead ignorance:p, I'v never used a camera that took the little cards before. My 16 gig flash cards that I use in my D3 wouldn't fit. Anyways, thanks for setting me straight on the buffer of the M9. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 6, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 6, 2009 Gregory, Don't know if I want to say I was trying to set you straight on the buffer so to speak, just saying I have no had any problems at all. I use a bunch of the SanDisk plus 4gig cards. that is the ones which fold and become a USB plug, seems like the smartest SD card I have used so far. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 6, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 6, 2009 What kind of cards are you guys using? The lecia rep had a 1 gig:confused:. And my D3 use bigger flash cards. Perhaps my results are a result of the 1 gig card?. Im sorry if my experience with the M9 are out of sync with the M9 and a nice fat 16 gig card. I beg forgiveness and plead ignorance:p, I'v never used a camera that took the little cards before. My 16 gig flash cards that I use in my D3 wouldn't fit. Anyways, thanks for setting me straight on the buffer of the M9. Gregory A bit sad if Leica reps are not able to show off their product properly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blatent liar Posted December 7, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 7, 2009 True the M9 Cannot store a decent frame rate to a CF card. and the Video Files are useless. I just repeated the aforementioned tests with my M9 Holding down the Shutter release, and have similar issues when the lens cap is on. Very Very Slow. -M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted December 7, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 7, 2009 Oh, THAT brings up another big - huge issue... the lack of automatic lens-hood, every worthwile P&S have a retractable lens cover to protect the lens... I have probably lost more leica lens covers than the price of the lenses over the years. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekF Posted December 7, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 7, 2009 Somebody should teach his proofreader how to spell rationalisation -I had to look twice to understand what he meant. "Rationalization" (with a "z") is the American spelling of "rationalisation". Replacing the "s" with a "z" is a common spelling variant in North America. They are pronounced exactly the same way so it shouldn't be too confusing. Sort of like "color" and "colour". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 7, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 7, 2009 I thought the review was fairly well-balanced from a professional photographer's point of view. Yes, live view and video, for some, represent the antithesis of the Leica M experience. I personally would HATE to have live view or video in my Leica. But the review is on the digital JOURNALIST site, and many working press photographers are now experimenting with video, for better or worse, so I think the reviewer just wanted to point out that the M9 doesn't offer it. Both features are fast becoming standard on new DSLR's, so perhaps people not so familiar with Leica need to be reminded that these features are not included with the M9. And while the smallish buffer and slow processing may not be an issue for some photographers, for others it is a real issue. The reviewer intelligently pointed out that Leica M shooters aren't likely to need super-high frame rates, but I think he's also justified in thinking that the processor should be able to keep up. I'd rather have the camera limited to 1FPS if it could shoot at that speed continuously as long as there was space on the card. I tend to shoot in a slow and contemplative way, and I think about each photo and wait for decisive moments. I never use the C mode, in fact my camera is always on single shot and discreet advance. But in my line of work, there are certain times when I need to shoot larger sequences or frames in fast succession, and it would be nice if I were more confident that each time I press the shutter release, the camera would take a photograph. It's not too much to ask from any digital camera these days, and it's probably one of my biggest complaints about the M9. As the reviewer stated, it's a major (but not fatal) flaw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted December 7, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 7, 2009 "Rationalization" (with a "z") is the American spelling of "rationalisation". Replacing the "s" with a "z" is a common spelling variant in North America. They are pronounced exactly the same way so it shouldn't be too confusing. Sort of like "color" and "colour". Yes OK we know that but what does "relationalization" mean? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekF Posted December 7, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 7, 2009 Yes OK we know that but what does "relationalization" mean? Jeff I didn't realize Jaapv was talking about that word. In the context of the review (yes, "relationalization" is not an English word AFAIK), I think the author intentionally wanted to make a link with people making rationalizations relative to the subject matter being discussed, i.e., the discussion about DSLRs vs. rangefinders and why some might argue that higher ISO performance is not needed with rangefinders because Leica has faster lenses anyway. Hence, rationalizing in relationship to the relative strengths of DSLRs and rangefinders. The author obviously knew this wasn't a word since it's italicized, but this is the risk you take when you try to get cute with your wording. Anyway, that's my take on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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