pappde Posted December 20, 2009 Share #41 Posted December 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) How about this post? Leica X1 delayed till February 2010 | Leica Rumors It would be nice to have an official LEICA announcement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 20, 2009 Posted December 20, 2009 Hi pappde, Take a look here When will the X1 ship?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jsrockit Posted December 20, 2009 Share #42 Posted December 20, 2009 How about this post?Leica X1 delayed till February 2010 | Leica Rumors It would be nice to have an official LEICA announcement. Hey, as long as they are tweaking it, I think people can wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delnerdo Posted December 20, 2009 Share #43 Posted December 20, 2009 So the press release and public announcement >100 days ago merely means that they know how to make prototypes, right? It does not mean that they can mass-produce them or know what firmware to ship them with. Just an intent to take orders. Huh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted December 20, 2009 Share #44 Posted December 20, 2009 First, Leica is consistently behind schedule, look at the S2, M8 and now the X1. Second, their tweaking has rarely resulted in any significant change, even 2 years later. I made the mistake with the M8 of thinking that surely with all of the suggested improvements on the forums it would only be a matter of a few months and Leica would address the numerous issues identified and fix them. I couldn't have been more wrong. Leica is floundering and struggling for survival and their management is focused on the bottom line without realizing that their long term health depends on how newer customers perceive them and their service. I can't speak for others but when I pay a premium price for a product I expect premium service. You don't get it from Leica. Until they get it, they will continue to survive on the aging fan club that won't sustain them over the long run. I remember when I was a kid how Caddilac was such a premium brand. Everyone I knew wanted to own one. Today they are struggling to stay alive. The quality wasn't there compared to Mercedes and BMW and neither was the service. That is Leica today. With film, the more perfect the lens the better, there was no way to fix lens error in development. With today's digital, less than perfect lenses can be made to look perfect via digital processing so why would anyone pay 5 or 10 times the price if the end result is the same but after digital correction, indistinguishable? Without digital processing the image produced by the M9 would be unacceptable but everyone praises its output. It really is in spite of the lenses that were not designed for digital sensors but thanks to the miracle of digital image processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver8 Posted December 20, 2009 Share #45 Posted December 20, 2009 I made the mistake with the M8 of thinking that surely with all of the suggested improvements on the forums it would only be a matter of a few months and Leica would address the numerous issues identified and fix them. I couldn't have been more wrong. The M9 addressed all the shortcomings of the M8. Leica is floundering and struggling for survival Leica is struggling to make enough M9s to meet demand. Until they get it, they will continue to survive on the aging fan club that won't sustain them over the long run. The M9 was a game changer. Many photographers want to dump their heavy D700s and D5s and settle into the M system now. Leica has more new customers than ever before. Everyone I knew wanted to own one. Today they are struggling to stay alive. The quality wasn't there compared to Mercedes and BMW and neither was the service. That is Leica today. So what does Leica do? Produce an S2 and M9 that's universally praised for build quality and image making. With film, the more perfect the lens the better, there was no way to fix lens error in development. With today's digital, less than perfect lenses can be made to look perfect via digital processing so why would anyone pay 5 or 10 times the price if the end result is the same but after digital correction, indistinguishable? There are limits to what you can achieve in post-processing. Anyone who processes RAW files knows this. The better your lens, the better RAW file you have to work with. The lens is just as important in the digital world as it was in the film days. Without digital processing the image produced by the M9 would be unacceptable but everyone praises its output. All RAW files require digital processing. And everyone praises the M9's output because the files look damn good. Except to you, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share #46 Posted December 20, 2009 Let's get back on track please. This thread is only about ship dates for the X1. Take your general rants about Leica -- I have them too! -- to another thread please. When will the X1 ship? If you have specific evidence, please let the rest of us know in this thread. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad robot Posted December 24, 2009 Share #47 Posted December 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I did something a bit radical, I emailed Leica directly about shipping, they replied the next day and said, they "expect to ship to the UK by December, but this will be extremely limited, most stores will receive stock by January 2010. My advice would to ask Leica themselves; they will respond, rather then rehash the endless rumours on the web. Merry Christmas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 25, 2009 Share #48 Posted December 25, 2009 stuffed robot.......... it's Xmas...end of January and you reckon it will be shoipped before the new year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 25, 2009 Share #49 Posted December 25, 2009 stuffed robot.......... it's Xmas...end of December!........and you reckon it will be shipped before the new year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad robot Posted December 25, 2009 Share #50 Posted December 25, 2009 Only for a lucky few I guess. The rest of us will have to wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hythe Posted December 26, 2009 Share #51 Posted December 26, 2009 I think I will be lucky. stnami - good artworks in your portfolio, is good the right word? Brooding imagery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted December 26, 2009 Share #52 Posted December 26, 2009 leicabei meister say mid Jan in germany, which I guess means end Feb or March in reasonable numbers andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCW Posted January 8, 2010 Share #53 Posted January 8, 2010 I have had an X1 for the past month. Still waiting for my M9 after 3 months, I succumbed to temptation and bought an X1 off the shelf in Christchurch, New Zealand, on 11 December 2009. My unit came without a handbook and the firmware appears to be a pre-production version, 0.73b. I contacted Leica and received an email saying I must have got one of the very first X1s. The quality of the X1 Raw images processed in Lightroom 2.6 is astonishing, and is distinctly superior to the JPEGs produced by the camera's own software. The X1 will keep me happy till my M9 finally arrives. But if you get an X1, I urge you to exploit the Raw files and not rely on the camera's own JPEGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 9, 2010 Share #54 Posted January 9, 2010 Photomark (1 of 2 big camera shops in Phoenix) relayed they have no firm date but their Leica rep said February a couple of weeks ago. The salesman anticipated a very small first order and 'urged me to deposit so I can get one' as 'they have several deposits already'.Tempe Camera (the other big store here) said it was a special order prepaid only - and she will call the rep on Monday to find out the ship date. FWIW - that second store doesn't carry any new Leica (it's in the college part of Phoenix, but that still could support some other arguments mentioned). On the other hand, neither of them carry the GF-1 so they may just suck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted January 9, 2010 Share #55 Posted January 9, 2010 RCW - thanks for the update. Didn't your X1 come with Lightroom? Any buyers remorse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCW Posted January 9, 2010 Share #56 Posted January 9, 2010 When I got my X1 on 11 December it was not yet listed on the Leica Users site, so I couldn't register it or download Lightroom. That's why I emailed Leica in Germany to ask what was going on. They said I was too early, they weren't ready, the website would be updated in due course. I checked the website again after Christmas and found they had added the X1 to their list. I then registered mine and downloaded Lightroom 2.6. Until then I had been using Capture One version 4.8.3 to process the X1's Raw files. However there is still no updated firmware available from Leica. I'm still using version 0.73b. And I have no handbook. The camera is however very easy and intuitive to use. Only one menu, simple controls. I've read a couple of detailed reviews and they haven't told me anything I hadn't found out for myself within a day or so of buying the X1. It's a great little camera. I think it may turn out to be as big a hit as the M9, though it's aimed at a somewhat different market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted January 9, 2010 Share #57 Posted January 9, 2010 I have had an X1 for the past month. Still waiting for my M9 after 3 months, I succumbed to temptation and bought an X1 off the shelf in Christchurch, New Zealand, on 11 December 2009. My unit came without a handbook and the firmware appears to be a pre-production version, 0.73b. I contacted Leica and received an email saying I must have got one of the very first X1s. The quality of the X1 Raw images processed in Lightroom 2.6 is astonishing, and is distinctly superior to the JPEGs produced by the camera's own software. The X1 will keep me happy till my M9 finally arrives. But if you get an X1, I urge you to exploit the Raw files and not rely on the camera's own JPEGs. Would you mind showing us a picture of your X1, seems odd that Leica sells products in NZ months before they are officially released ROW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCW Posted January 9, 2010 Share #58 Posted January 9, 2010 My understanding is that Leica NZ made a mistake in releasing two pre-production X1s for sale in December, one in Christchurch and one in Auckland. They were probably intended for review or assessment purposes. I bought the Christchurch one; I don't know whether the Auckland one has been sold or withdrawn. When Leica NZ receive supplies of production X1s (which they expect to do within the next couple of weeks) they will probably replace the unit sold to me. I expect that the replacement will have firmware 1.0 or later and I hope it comes with a printed handbook. At present the X1 is the only digital camera I own, so I have a practical difficulty in providing a picture of it as requested. It looks exactly like any other X1. The serial number is 3811872, if that's any help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 9, 2010 Share #59 Posted January 9, 2010 The quality of the X1 Raw images processed in Lightroom 2.6 is astonishing, and is distinctly superior to the JPEGs produced by the camera's own software. The X1 will keep me happy till my M9 finally arrives. But if you get an X1, I urge you to exploit the Raw files and not rely on the camera's own JPEGs. RAW files superior to jpegs? How remarkable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted January 9, 2010 Share #60 Posted January 9, 2010 My understanding is that Leica NZ made a mistake in releasing two pre-production X1s for sale in December, one in Christchurch and one in Auckland. They were probably intended for review or assessment purposes. I bought the Christchurch one; I don't know whether the Auckland one has been sold or withdrawn. When Leica NZ receive supplies of production X1s (which they expect to do within the next couple of weeks) they will probably replace the unit sold to me. I expect that the replacement will have firmware 1.0 or later and I hope it comes with a printed handbook. At present the X1 is the only digital camera I own, so I have a practical difficulty in providing a picture of it as requested. It looks exactly like any other X1. The serial number is 3811872, if that's any help. Lacklands in Auckland (Leica NZ dealers) said January, and the delay was due to some parts not being up to snuff and having to be re-manufactured. RCW, as I'm in the same city as you, I'd be very happy to check out your X1! If you like, I can do some digital snaps with my Ricoh! PM me if you're interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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