Jeff S Posted December 11, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...that's the first I have heard of a deadline... can you quote your source for that? FWIW, see post #2...http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/36571-digilux-2-sensor.html If true, that would mean until December 2010, I think. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Hi Jeff S, Take a look here Help me decide! New D-lux4 or used Digilux2?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
delnerdo Posted December 11, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 11, 2009 If shooting indoors with available light, consider the faster aperture of the D-lux 4 and graininess of high-ISO images from the Digilux 2 (ISO at or above 400 is really very grainy). For use indoors without flash, I'd take the D-lux 4. It also has an intelligent ISO option, whereby you can specify the maximum allowable setting. Also, the field of view is wider. With the lensmate accessory you can mount a hood and filter on the D-lux 4. I'm not going to say anything bad about the D2, but mine just sits, while I reach for the D-lux 4 routinely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
integrale Posted December 11, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 11, 2009 If shooting indoors with available light, consider the faster aperture of the D-lux 4 <snip> Nicht verstehen - I believe fastest A is f/2.0 on both, with the D2 having a slighter faster A at the long end (and D2 is a bit longer than the D-Lux 4). I have both and think they are two very different cameras. The D-Lux 4 is a very capable, albeit slightly big, P&S'ish type of camera. The D2 s a more "mechanical" camera that probably requires more of the photographer to get the high IQ (at least my keeper rate is lower with the D2) but D2 also has a more "traditional" handling and feeling, and that - combined with the potential IQ - is what appeals to me in the D2. But I also like and use my D-Lux 4, but primarily as a P&S. Both cameras are capable of delivering stunning images. High ISO is lousy on both, but you're probably right in that the D-Lux 4 is marginally better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted December 11, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 11, 2009 hey John T .... i also have a D2 .... but i don't have ANY images like that one .... nice piece of work. Honestly, Dave... I say this with as much humility as I can muster. Every time I see this image I am continually blown away. I sometimes think this single photo is worth having owned this camera. It's amazing how it rivals any image from any camera I've ever owned. In fact, I have virtually the same image (taken on different occasions) shot with my Canon 40D and with my Canon 5D MK11 - forget it... not even remotely close. I think the bonus satisfaction in this image is it qualifies the fact that all the megapixels in the world, all the image stabilization, all the current crop of whistles and bells that they keep throwing at us, in the end.... don't mean squat. Nice camera, great feel, excellent glass, a handful of megapixels... done. Beautiful. Less is more. Thanks for the kind words. JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosecpf Posted December 11, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 11, 2009 My cousin's husband is a professional photographer and has a 5D markii as well. They came to NY to visit me and he shot some frames of me at Brooklyn Bridge at sunset. I must say I weren't impressed at all with the final result: lots of distortion! He used a Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 L II lens, which is supposed to be really good. I wish I had my Digilux 2 with me to make some comparisons, but my Digilux 3 was there and impressed him! But I cannot deny: 5D Mark ii viewfinder is absolutely stunning! here is the picture: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/105885-help-me-decide-new-d-lux4-or-used-digilux2/?do=findComment&comment=1147572'>More sharing options...
sgilder Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted December 11, 2009 Grrr....Still looking. I've had 2 so far slip right through my fingers. This is driving me nuts! Does anybody know where I can find a digilux 2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenonzinonos Posted December 11, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Check e-bay - there's one on offer, expiring tomorrow... currently at $511 Leica Digilux 2 Digital Camera w/ Accessories - eBay (item 170416424169 end time Dec-12-09 13:32:04 PST) Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgilder Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share #28 Posted December 11, 2009 I've been watching that one, as well as a few others. Based on the bid history, it looks like it will sell for a bit more than I would like to pay for a d2 without the hood, hood lens cap, and an aftermarket battery charger (the hood esp. appears to be impossible to replace) Its got a couple nice things going for it, but like I said, it looks like somebody else wants it pretty darn bad. Plus, the exposure from this thread is sure to increase the traffic and probably drive up the price even more. You wouldn't happen to be the seller, would you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosecpf Posted December 11, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 11, 2009 You should look for used Lumix LC-1, the D2's twin sister. Usually they sell a lot cheaper than the D2 and they are exactly the same camera. I have both and I cannot tell the difference in terms of output quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delnerdo Posted December 12, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 12, 2009 Nicht verstehen - I believe fastest A is f/2.0 on both, with the D2 having a slighter faster A at the long end (and D2 is a bit longer than the D-Lux 4). Entschuldigung. Perhaps I was thinking of the D-Lux 3. My bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted December 12, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 12, 2009 i sold my D2 to buy the Dlux4 about a year ago. the D2 definitely took better photos - that lens was superb. However I often left the D2 home because it was too heavy for me and that was the motivating factor in buying the dlux4. the Dlux4 is small and takes outstanding photos. as the saying goes.. the best camera is the one you have on you. i find i have the dlux4 on me more than i ever had the d2. be aware the d2 takes forever to save a photo (if shooting in raw) i am now selling some stuff to finance the purchase of an x1 and will be selling the dlux4 soon you will enjoy both I amazed you find the D2 too heavy - lightness is one of it's strenghts IMHO. Do some push ups! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenonzinonos Posted December 12, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 12, 2009 You wouldn't happen to be the seller, would you? No, I'm not, but I do happen to have two LC-1's. If you're interested in purchasing one send me a message and we may strike a deal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted December 12, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 12, 2009 My cousin's husband is a professional photographer and has a 5D markii as well. They came to NY to visit me and he shot some frames of me at Brooklyn Bridge at sunset. I must say I weren't impressed at all with the final result: lots of distortion! He used a Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 L II lens, which is supposed to be really good. I wish I had my Digilux 2 with me to make some comparisons, but my Digilux 3 was there and impressed him! But I cannot deny: 5D Mark ii viewfinder is absolutely stunning! here is the picture: Hmmm... I'd have to argue with you on the performance of the 5D MK11. It's a fantastic camera. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "distortion," but the 16mm-35mm f/2.8 is a beautiful lens... trust me, it was the first lens I mounted on my 5D MK11. If the distortion you are referring to is the pin cushion effect of the wide angle, (tipping in on the sides) welcome to the world of full frame sensors and truly wide angle lenses. It's the nature of the beast. Furthermore, if you tilt the camera up ever so slightly, or down, you increase the barrel effect in multiples. I've got a 12mm... trust me, you ain't seen barrel distortion until you've seen the 12mm on a full frame. Keep in mind, you're heading into fish-eye territory once you start going that wide. It's pretty much unavoidable and you have to work with it carefully. And it should be used "creatively" like any other lens choice. I love it though. And... I couldn't be happier with the 5D MK11. It's a fantastic camera. The first 15 or 20 images in this gallery are with the 5D MK11 and the 16mm-35mm. They are the first shots out of that camera... within an hour or two of receiving it. thaw_6190.jpg - Canon 5D MK11 Samples - Motorsports Photography by Motorsports Photographer, John Thawley :: American Le Mans, Grand Am, JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKeithR Posted December 12, 2009 Share #34 Posted December 12, 2009 I have a D-Lux 3, a Digilux 2, an LC-1 and a bunch of Pentax gear but my favourite camera by far is either the D2 or the LC-1. They're older and slower but I simply would not want to be without them. Black and white jpegs right out of the camera are superb and the whole experience of using the camera is very special to me. All I can say for sure is that other cameras may come and go but I will always want to have at least one D2/LC-1 in my collection... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelyn Posted December 13, 2009 Share #35 Posted December 13, 2009 The first 15 or 20 images in this gallery are with the 5D MK11 and the 16mm-35mm. They are the first shots out of that camera... within an hour or two of receiving it. thaw_6190.jpg - Canon 5D MK11 Samples - Motorsports Photography by Motorsports Photographer, John Thawley :: American Le Mans, Grand Am, JT Hi, I'm not a chin-stroker and TBH I don't get a lot of images that people drool over, especially a lot of what's called "street photography", but picture number 4, I wouldn't have been suprised if that family had of walked out the screen across my keyboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgilder Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #36 Posted December 14, 2009 Finally got one! It should be here Wednesday or thursday. Can't wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Posted December 17, 2009 Share #37 Posted December 17, 2009 imo u would learn more and improve using the D2 rather than the Dlux4. My perception is also that dlux4 is better in low light and d2 excels mainly when u have good light/stability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted December 17, 2009 Share #38 Posted December 17, 2009 imo u would learn more and improve using the D2 Absolutely, hands down the BEST digital learning camera on the planet. The only thing better would be either a Pentax K1000 or a Leica Rangefinder. JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrethorst Posted December 17, 2009 Share #39 Posted December 17, 2009 Digilux 2. A picture is worth a thousand words. John, was this raw or jpeg? Any other thoughts on how to get so creamy a look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted December 17, 2009 Share #40 Posted December 17, 2009 John, was this raw or jpeg? Any other thoughts on how to get so creamy a look? Definitely JPEG. First, the Digilux 2 creates phenomenal jpegs. Second, the camera is too slow for this type of work, so I need to burst three frames. Though this one was flash, things move pretty quick on pit lane... even during practice. Chances are, he's talking to his crew chief on the radio here. So, since he's not making eye contact, it's not unusual for his head to be bobbig around as he talks.To be honest, this was as basic a shot as you can get. IS0 100, f/5.6 at 1/160 sec. at 22mm (90mm). I used the flash here because when you shoot drivers with their helmet on, you typically are left with an underexposed face. It was about 9:30am - This was shot at Sebring during the winter test. This is a significant bit of information since Sebring has an extremely wide pit lane. You could probably drive three cars wide through there. So, considering the bright light and the distance of the track safety wall, f/5.6 worked out to a give a pretty nice depth of field. Thanks, JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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