andalus Posted November 22, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) My MP and every other film M I have owned over 45 years has been like Rocks of Gibraltar -- that is, items I could hand on to another generation and they'd work, barring any abuse, like they did new. So the question is, simply (and I know the M10 or 15 may offer improvements), will the M9 be as DURABLE as the MP? Will the shutter last as long (number of actuations), etc. In other words, assuming kid glove care, and assuming one is not drawn in to an M10 (etc), is the M9 built to serve for many years, like the MP is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Hi andalus, Take a look here How durable is the m9??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
danyves Posted November 22, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 22, 2009 Yes; everything being equal otherwise. With the same maintenance care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted November 22, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 22, 2009 Please realize that you will actuate the shutter more often on the M9 than a film M- posssibly by orders of magnitude. As such, the average M9 shutter will be working overtime compared to your film Ms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted November 22, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 22, 2009 don't know about the M9, but I have a old D1 which is still working, even though it is not in regular use at this point, and also a old Olympus E10 and a E1. all in working conditions. My wind guess is that the M9 have much more stable eletronics in that the systems have 10 years more development than the above cameras, so chances are that these cameras will keep working for at least the next 20-30 years.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 22, 2009 Provided there are batteries..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 22, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 22, 2009 Provided there are batteries..... HI Jaap I don't think that should be too much of a problem - they might get a bit expensive one day, but I'd have thought it would be worth people's while to continue to produce them. We have some pretty old cameras knocking around here which still seem to be working okay. Just keep the water out of it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted November 22, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I expect the M9 to last quite a while, certainly long enough to feel it was money well spent. Specifically, though, you mention the shutter, and there's nothing else like the film M shutter. Massively overdesigned and understressed, I've heard it claimed that it is only beginning to show wear after 500,000 actuations. With maintenance (a CLA about every 20 years, according to my repairman) it should last a lifetime of daily use. If I had to bet on which camera would still be shooting in 50 years, give me the MP in a heartbeat. And yes, I expect I (or my kids) will still be able to get film. Later, Clyde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonM Posted November 22, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 22, 2009 Batteries are the least of our problems. Try finding a computer with USB or a SDHC card or reader in 30 years. That's going to be the bigger issue. Film will still be around in 50 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Esslinger Posted November 22, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 22, 2009 HI JaapI don't think that should be too much of a problem - they might get a bit expensive one day, but I'd have thought it would be worth people's while to continue to produce them. You are not a DMR user I suppose.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 22, 2009 You are not a DMR user I suppose.... +1... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spersky Posted November 22, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 22, 2009 Batteries are the least of our problems. Try finding a computer with USB or a SDHC card or reader in 30 years. That's going to be the bigger issue. Film will still be around in 50 years. I highly doubt film be be around or easy to obtain in 50 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted November 22, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 22, 2009 LondonM, Good point, my first pro digital camera was aFujix/nikon (F4 modded into a fullframe digital camera 1280x960 rez at roughly $16.000) they used PCMCIA cards, seems they were 8meg and 16/32 meg cards, etc... I still have some original Nikon cards around somewhere, can't buy them anywhere and the last laptop I had with a PCMCIA card slot is 3 years old.... Digital film is surely going to be the biggest problem and much before the supply of batteries run out. We can hope for some adapter card, that some future micro terabyte card make a adapter to stick the micro card in a SD adapter so they can sell to the market of old SD card cameras.... if we are lucky. Remember CF cards with SD card slots. and there were PCMCIA adapters for CF cards. Thanksfully the D1 use CF cards which is still around, only the camera is soo poor nobody really cares. Unlike the D1, people will want to be using both M8 and M9 cameras in 10 years from now. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milyovsky Posted November 23, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2009 The batteries are already expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted November 23, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2009 And will LightRoom 27 still be able to handle RAW files?... Will Sandy still be alive?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted November 23, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 23, 2009 If we are worried about batteries - go buy a few more, we are talking $7000 cameras here, a few batteries of $150 a pop is not going to toss anyone off the budget Im sure. If we are really lucky M10 and 11 will use the same basic battery.... and we will be good to go for quite a while. its a great thing that both the 8 and 9 use the same unit, this means there is MUCH more users out there and so also more market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted November 23, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 23, 2009 Film may be around in 50 years, though it may be expensive. And the real question is if film scanners will still be available/serviceable. Even if you prefer silver prints, scanning is a necessity for many types of professional work. I've used the old NC2000 cameras (and older ones) that used the PCMCIA cards. One difference between those and the current CF and SD cards is PCMCIA cards were not that common on the (much larger) amateur market. CF cards for pro cameras and SD cards for many amateur cameras (and the M8/9) are fairly widespread standards that may be around for a while, if not 50 years. Realistically I'd be thrilled to use my M9s for ten years. One thing we may have lost in the transition to digital is the idea that a camera can be used for life (or several lifetimes). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyIII Posted November 23, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 23, 2009 I highly doubt film be be around or easy to obtain in 50 years I'm 57, so chances are slim to none that I will be around to find out. Rocky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonM Posted November 23, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 23, 2009 I guess one could buy 10 batteries and 10 SD cards and hope for the best. Or take the approach that over 10 years, this investment is $1000 a year, about the same as my Triumph Motorcycle insurance. They are all just meant to be enjoyed while one can. At least the Leica lenses will still be good ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 23, 2009 If we are worried about batteries - go buy a few more, we are talking $7000 cameras here, a few batteries of $150 a pop is not going to toss anyone off the budget Im sure. If we are really lucky M10 and 11 will use the same basic battery.... and we will be good to go for quite a while. its a great thing that both the 8 and 9 use the same unit, this means there is MUCH more users out there and so also more market. Even if unused on the shelf, your batteries will die within a number of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jruffolo Posted November 23, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 23, 2009 You are not a DMR user I suppose.... +2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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