sean_reid Posted December 1, 2006 Share #21 Posted December 1, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it works at tomorrow's wedding ( yes Sean I got 2 filters at a huge cost, but I got 'em), I'll order a second one for next years' wedding jobs, and not worry about having to send the other back during the off season. Hi Mark, Which lenses and which filters? If the lenses aren't coded yet, I'd highly recommend the Sharpie trick. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted December 1, 2006 Share #22 Posted December 1, 2006 ( yes Sean I got 2 filters at a huge cost, but I got 'em) What is that problem about filters, and what huge cost? I ordered seven in all, including a seriesVII, and am only waiting for three.All my main lenses are covered. The price? an average of 50 Euro.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbkell Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share #23 Posted December 1, 2006 What is that problem about filters, and what huge cost? I ordered seven in all, including a seriesVII, and am only waiting for three.All my main lenses are covered. The price? an average of 50 Euro.... Jaap I think you have to accept that some people just don't like filters especially if they look like pink/purple rifle scopes and you are a street shooter There are also people who think that $100 unplanned addtional cost per lens is an issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted December 1, 2006 Share #24 Posted December 1, 2006 Good for you Jaap, aparently Europe has more than the US does. In fact both of the IRs I got were from Europe, which cost me almost as much in timely shipping as did the filters. I got caught flat footed and need to actually shoot something real with the camera in order to decide whether to keep it or send it back before I leave on a location job ... and for me that means a wedding, the first of which since getting the M8 is this Saturday. If it works (no banding issue), I'll send in the check. If not, back it goes and I'll reorder. Sean, I'll be using a 24, 28, 35, 50, 90AA. I have a 46mm & 55mm IR Cut. Does the coding already work with the camera's firmware to correct the cyan corner vignetting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 1, 2006 Share #25 Posted December 1, 2006 Jaap I think you have to accept that some people just don't like filters especially if they look like pink/purple rifle scopes and you are a street shooter There are also people who think that $100 unplanned addtional cost per lens is an issue I don't like filters either, I am extensively on record as saying so. But all is fair in love and war and to get the picture imo, so I'll use them as needed. And although I agree that 100$ is an amount of money to be considered and I would never pay that for a Mars bar, in comparison to the average cost of a Leica set, well, I think some perspective needs to be applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted December 1, 2006 Share #26 Posted December 1, 2006 They will fix the camera but filters (which were not required) and lens codings (which were optional) are now pretty much mandatory. Early adopters have the right to feel they've been "had", not by Leica Service, but by Leica Marketing who have doubtless asked "What's the minimum we can get away with?" Then factor in the paralysed distributor (at least here in the UK) and the dealer in denial and early M8 buyers have every right to be agrieved. Mark, If you lived nearby I would kiss you on both cheeks and celebrate these words by carving them in the concrete in front of Leica's USA headquarters for all to see. I couldn't have said it better. RIGHT ON! -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted December 1, 2006 Share #27 Posted December 1, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, it's all gone quiet, I guess we're waiting for the next PR effort on 6 December. I don't think Leica are handling this well, there's too much spin in what should be a straightforward announcement. I disagree. There wasn't any "spin" at all in the announcement. How was it unclear to you??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted December 1, 2006 Share #28 Posted December 1, 2006 Maybe, and maybe not. IMO, pie in the sky speculation can be as bad as constant grousing. People are passing the threshold of returning their cameras because they get the impression everything is "going to be okay ... maybe, if, could be", etc. We all want this camera to work for us, and this leads to suspension of disbelief. Not anyone's fault here, especially Sean's. The dealers know as little as we do, and everyone who bought this camera isn't on this forum, so the relative numbers that the Leica dealers are dealing with are burdensome when no one knows anything for sure ... except apparently that ... Hot Swap isn't going to happen ... so those with a defective camera get to wait while others in the cue get correct ones. Then we'll wait some more to get the filters required to make this camera work properly ... then with the filters, comes the need to get your multi-thousands of dollars in lenses coded, at your inconvenience and expense. Basically, Leica has made their problem our problem. Doesn't affect me because I never paid one dime toward the M8. If it works at tomorrow's wedding ( yes Sean I got 2 filters at a huge cost, but I got 'em), I'll order a second one for next years' wedding jobs, and not worry about having to send the other back during the off season. Just to provide a bit of perspective here, remember that us early adopters have had our cameras and (at least in my case) have made some fine images while the rest read forums and learned about the good and the bad but had no personal experiences. I have learned a great deal about the M8, have gotten a number of real keepers in color and learned that this is the best Black and White 135 format camera on the planet. If Leica does the two to three day turnaround as they have forcast we should lose our cameras for about a week (maybe two weeks at the outside). Early adopters always run into these types of issues. I got a new Mercedes some years ago in the first year of production of the "New and Exciting!" S Class sedan. This new series had all the great technologies made possible by the use of micro processors (some 38 of them if I remember correctly). Well to make a long story short the car was plagued with all sorts of early problems because not surprisingly MB was extremely good and knowledgable regarding mechanics but were relative neophyhtes regarding electronics (sound familiar Leica fans?). Bottom line......the second year of production had virtually no problems as MB had now developed the electronics expertise necessary to support the new breed of cars. I have no doubts that these early problems will get sorted out in short order. As MB did not provide a "swap out to those of us who bought the early production models, neither will Leica. It would cost them a fortune to do so (as they would now have some 1500 cameras that would have to be resold as "used." The cost to us is essentially zero and all we have to suffer a week or two without our cameras. That way, in the end, no one is out any serious money and we had a couple of months to use these wonderful machines. I am not defending Leica so much as trying to bring some perspective to this situation. Hope it might calm down some of the anger being displayed on these forums Happy picture taking Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySwan Posted December 1, 2006 Share #29 Posted December 1, 2006 I don't have a particular problem with the way Leica has handled this unfortunate problem. I've been a Nikon fan my entire 60 year life and been screwed by them so many times it ain't funny. Most recently, the D200 banding problem that took Nikon months to own up to. And then the Nikon D80 coming out with no word on it's development until my friend spent his hard earned money on a D70s. How about Apple coming out with a "new and improved" IPod every week. I'd hate to be an IPod user for that reason. Leica seems to be doing their best to maintain a classy route without giving everyone brandnew camera in exchange for the old one if the first one can indeed be brought forward technically to the quality of their finished version. You wanta be the "first kid on the block" as well as all the "ooohs and ahhhs" you get from your friends this another part of the cost you pay. Does Leica append a "privace note" to each email you get from them like Nikon does? Nikon doesn't want any info out in the community even though they refuse to address these issues themselves. I'd rather here it from the horses mouth but if the horse ain't talking then I'll listen to what the jockey has to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baloo Posted December 1, 2006 Share #30 Posted December 1, 2006 The cost to us is essentially zero and all we have to suffer a week or two without our cameras. I wounld like to put gazzzz on the fire but I’ve got a m7 that was suppose to be in the shop for about 6 week that was on may 15, 2006 and it is not back yet so... I don’t really feel safe sending my m8 for two week... Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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