Gilles L. Posted March 2, 2010 Share #21 Posted March 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can I add my 2 cents?I hate tethered shooting. Thanks for letting me rant, sorry for the length; it's time to stand up and CUT THE CORD!!! ;-) To all those that shoot tethered (especially good for stills, IMO) and love it: Carry on; I hope Leica hooks you up one day, as I'm sure there are still some great clients that still respect the photographer, and let you do your best work, tethered or not. (Yes, I know I'm now too old-fashioned for this business!) ;-) Larry Hi Larry, Looking at it from your experience, I understand your frustration...! I shoot stills, artworks to be exact. Tethering is a blessing; I can assess the composition, lighting, focusing, etc... within moments. It cuts out 99% of reshoots. I wouldn't shoot any other way, and C1 is a blessing. The rangefinder is really not cut for this type of work; trying to compose and focus on a tripod is too time consuming, but the image quality is wonderful. Overall, a dSLR is definitely more appropriate. Gilles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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likalar Posted March 2, 2010 Share #22 Posted March 2, 2010 When I finished these, I got back to the assignment. Here is is the shoot: YouTube - Kanal von Goldsteinphoto Alan, that is a great bed-jumping series (and good story). Thanks!!! Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted March 2, 2010 Share #23 Posted March 2, 2010 @Gilles The current 'old' Eye-Fi Pro 4gig card is DEAD slow, but this new X2 Pro 8gig card coming out is SDHC Class 6 running wireless-N so in theory it should have the potential of being REALLY fast. Add this to the much anticipated M9 firmware update to address SD card issues (and a host of others), I am hoping it will be a very usable tether solution once and for all. As a general comment, as stated before I am mainly shooting M8 and M9 now. When I was shooting tethered, my clients loved it. Now I download to card because I have no choice, and none of my clients have demanded or questioned my workflow. .a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles L. Posted March 7, 2010 Share #24 Posted March 7, 2010 @Gilles The current 'old' Eye-Fi Pro 4gig card is DEAD slow, but this new X2 Pro 8gig card coming out is SDHC Class 6 running wireless-N so in theory it should have the potential of being REALLY fast. Add this to the much anticipated M9 firmware update to address SD card issues (and a host of others), I am hoping it will be a very usable tether solution once and for all. As a general comment, as stated before I am mainly shooting M8 and M9 now. When I was shooting tethered, my clients loved it. Now I download to card because I have no choice, and none of my clients have demanded or questioned my workflow. .a Many thanks for the reply; I totally missed it and just saw it while visiting the thread. This is indeed quite exciting and could be a very good alternative to the problem. The new X2 is due to come out by the end of the month and I will order one. Meanwhile, I came upon this interesting video which demonstrates tethering with a 4GB card and LR: First Thoughts on Eye-Fi Wireless SD Cards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_man Posted April 8, 2010 Share #25 Posted April 8, 2010 I have investigated this a bit (I am a embedded C tools developer "by Day"), unfortunately, the Leica SDK does not have the necessary support for tethered shooting (i.e. shoot and have the images immediately downloaded). Microsoft WIA would support downloading images, but I believe the images would still be written to the SD card first. At this point, I suspect the Eye-Fi solution may be the best... Too bad, I wrote a tethered app for the Olympus E-system and it was a small money maker (I wrote it and myself, then sell a license for $15 each... it adds up...) and I was hoping to be able to do the same for the M8/M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted April 8, 2010 Share #26 Posted April 8, 2010 The option for tethering would be nice, but I don't really need it. However, I would like to connect the M9 to the computer and have the camera's time reset to match the computer's time. Is there a way to do this? I do this with my Canon cameras before an assignment so they are all synchronized. Then, when editing photos made with multiple cameras, the photos are all in true chronological order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivibes Posted April 8, 2010 Share #27 Posted April 8, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I often use tethering with my M8. In fact i even had to present that in the Apple Store Zürich last week in a Workshop called «Made on a Mac». See my Website: rocketdesign.ch Tethering with Leica Ms is not a save thing. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. But this Combo works everytime: Mac OSX 10.5 / M8. I often use the Apple Utility «Digitale Bilder» (don't know the english Name) that comes with every Mac. It's the easiest Way to do tethered shooting. Aperture also works fine. Mac OSX 10.6 with the latest Updates an Raw Updates also works now with M8, but sometimes the Camera disconnects for no reason. Today i used the M9 for a Job and tethering with Digitale Bilder worked just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 8, 2010 Share #28 Posted April 8, 2010 I often use tethering with my M8. In fact i even had to present that in the Apple Store Zürich last week in a Workshop called «Made on a Mac». See my Website: rocketdesign.ch Tethering with Leica Ms is not a save thing. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. But this Combo works everytime: Mac OSX 10.5 / M8. I often use the Apple Utility «Digitale Bilder» (don't know the english Name) that comes with every Mac. It's the easiest Way to do tethered shooting. Aperture also works fine. Mac OSX 10.6 with the latest Updates an Raw Updates also works now with M8, but sometimes the Camera disconnects for no reason. Today i used the M9 for a Job and tethering with Digitale Bilder worked just fine. Image Capture K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 8, 2010 Share #29 Posted April 8, 2010 I just used my M9 to shoot a stop-motion video short test shoot. How to Hatch a Ferrero Rocher on Vimeo I used OS X 10.6.3 with Image Capture. When you shoot, the files are first written onto the SDHC card, then Image Capture reads the card, displays the list and gives you an option to download them. This solution is tedious and requires constant user input to download new images. Hardly a real tethered solution, but I guess its the best we have right now. I have ordered an Eye-Fi X2 Pro card from Adorama, but it has been on pre-order for sometime..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles L. Posted April 8, 2010 Share #30 Posted April 8, 2010 i ordered the the new Eye-Fi X2 and received perhaps 10 days ago. I think it can work as a tethering solution, although the metal plate seems to be seriously interfering with upload over wifi: you need to be seriously close to the router. However, it did work well ad hoc, but I shoot relatively close from the computer. Upload-wise, it took approx. 25 sec. for a M8 file, and the same for the 1ds3. This includes the time for the image to written to the card, which is about 5 sec. It's pretty smooth and the card sends the file right away. So this is a feasible solution, providing you are close to your network or create an ad hoc connection. I've had the card for over a week in my M8 and I am not greatly impressed using it for wirelessly uploading images to the computer. Like I said above, communication with the M8 is not the greatest. I also wish there was a way to see on my computer if the card is connected or not, or to be able to wake it up from the computer. Some days, files uploaded fine, other days nothing or only half of what I had shot. One thing for sure, you've got to set the camera close to the router and press the shutter to wake up the card, if you want something to happen. So is it really worth the trouble, while you could just insert the card into the computer? I thought of returning the card, but I am going to keep because I like the concept, and because it seems to work fine for tethering. I am just not sure if I can recommend it for M8/9 users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
perb Posted April 8, 2010 Share #31 Posted April 8, 2010 The Leica M8 speaks Picture Transfer Protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, also known as PTP. This has become an International Standard. The M9 I believe has a PTP mode that I would expect to be virtually identical to M8. PhaseOne do not need a SDK for the M8/9 to support tethering; they could probably implement it in an afternoon if the wanted. This is not a technical problem but a business decision. To demonstrate this I will show what I can do with generic PTP software, in this case gPhoto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I will do the following: - connect my M8 using the supplied USB cable and turn it on - ask my M8 to tell me everything about itself - set white balance to AUTO - set ISO to 640 - set exposure compensation to -2 EV - take a photograph and immediately download it (NB: while capture is virtually instant, since the M8 USB speed is roughly 5 MB/s downloading a 10 MB image file takes roughly 2 s) - once the image file is downloaded I can visit it with C1 ------------------------------------------------- perbo@helix:~% gphoto2 --summary Camera summary: Manufacturer: Leica Camera AG Model: M8 Digital Camera Version: 2.004 Serial Number: 031xxxxx Capture Formats: JPEG TIFF EP Unknown(b001) Display Formats: JPEG, TIFF EP, Unknown(b001) Device Capabilities: File Download, File Deletion, File Upload Generic Image Capture, Open Capture, No vendor specific capture Storage Devices Summary: store_00010001: StorageDescription: SD-Card VolumeLabel: Storage Type: Removable RAM (memory card) Filesystemtype: Digital Camera Layout (DCIM) Access Capability: Read-Write Maximum Capability: 2027249664 (1933 MB) Free Space (Bytes): 1191743488 (1136 MB) Free Space (Images): 0 store_00020001: StorageDescription: RamDisk VolumeLabel: Storage Type: Builtin RAM Filesystemtype: Generic Hierarchical Access Capability: Read Only with Object deletion Maximum Capability: 34603008 (33 MB) Free Space (Bytes): 34603008 (33 MB) Free Space (Images): 1 Device Property Summary: Property 0xd009:(read only) (type=0x6) Range [0 - 4294967295, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd007:(read only) (type=0x5) Range [0 - -1, step 1] value: 0 White Balance(0x5005):(readwrite) (type=0x4) Enumeration [2,6,5,4,7,32769,32770,1,51152,51252,51352,51452,51552,51652,51752,51852,51952,52052,52152,52252,52352,52452,52552,52652,52752,52852,52952,53052,53152,53252,53352,53452,53552,53652,53752,53852,53952,54052,54152,54352,54552,54752,54952,55152,55352,55552,55752,55952,56152,56352,56552,56752,56952,57152,57452,57752,58052,58352,58652,58952,59252,59552,59852,60152,60452,60752,61052,61352,61652,61952,62252] value: 2 Property 0xd006:(readwrite) (type=0x2) Enumeration [0,1] value: 0 Property 0xd004:(readwrite) (type=0x2) Range [0 - 4, step 1] value: 4 Property 0xd001:(readwrite) (type=0xffff) Enumeration [ 'DNG', 'JPG fine', 'JPG basic', 'DNG+JPG fine', 'DNG+JPG basic' ] value: 'DNG' Exposure Bias Compensation(0x5010):(readwrite) (type=0x3) Enumeration [-3000,-2667,-2333,-2000,-1667,-1333,-1000,-667,-333,0,333,667,1000,1333,1667,2000,2333,2667,3000] value: 0 Exposure Index (film speed ISO)(0x500f):(readwrite) (type=0x4) Enumeration [160,320,640,1250,2500] value: 160 Image Size(0x5003):(readwrite) (type=0xffff) Enumeration [ '3936x2624', '2952x1968', '1968x1312', '1312x872' ] value: '3936x2624' Battery Level(0x5001):(read only) (type=0x1) Range [0 - 100, step 1] value: 98 Property 0xd100:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 49950, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd102:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 256, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd134:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [1 - 255, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd130:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 65535, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd131:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 65535, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd140:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 3967, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd141:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [1 - 3968, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd142:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 0, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd143:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [2638 - 2646, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd138:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 65535, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd139:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 65535, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd105:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 16128, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd104:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 3, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd106:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 3, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd11a:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 0, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd11b:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 16, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd11c:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [30820 - 30820, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd11d:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [28 - 28, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd152:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 16, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd155:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [1 - 241, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd156:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [3 - 3, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd15b:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [12322 - 12322, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd15c:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [0 - 16, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd15d:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [1 - 241, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd15e:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [14370 - 14370, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd162:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [19 - 19, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd163:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [1 - 241, step 1] value: 0 Property 0xd164:(read only) (type=0x4) Range [35 - 35, step 1] value: 0 perbo@helix:/Leica/test/hotfolder% gphoto2 --shell gphoto2: {/Leica/test/hotfolder} /> set-config whitebalance=0 gphoto2: {/Leica/test/hotfolder} /> set-config iso=2 gphoto2: {/Leica/test/hotfolder} /> set-config exposurebiascompensation=3 gphoto2: {/Leica/test/hotfolder} /> capture-image-and-download New file is in location /store_00010001/DCIM/101LEICA/L1010733.DNG on the camera Downloading 'L1010733.DNG' from folder '/store_00010001/DCIM/101LEICA'... Saving file as L1010733.DNG Deleting file /store_00010001/DCIM/101LEICA/L1010733.DNG on the camera Deleting 'L1010733.DNG' from folder '/store_00010001/DCIM/101LEICA'... ------------------------- Regards Per Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
perb Posted April 8, 2010 Share #32 Posted April 8, 2010 I'm sure I have managed to scare a few people with my command line example, but let me just add three things: 1. Even a beginner could build a simple GUI to hide "the horrible". There is already one called gtkam. 2. I can automate things by putting commands in a script. 3. I can specify an action for a given event, eg if the event is shutter release button press, I can automatically download and process the DNG with cornerfix and I can adjust metadata with EXIFTOOL. Regards Per Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 9, 2010 Share #33 Posted April 9, 2010 Can you please write a script for us Mac OS X 10.6 users? I'm sure I have managed to scare a few people with my command line example, but let me just add three things: 1. Even a beginner could build a simple GUI to hide "the horrible". There is already one called gtkam. 2. I can automate things by putting commands in a script. 3. I can specify an action for a given event, eg if the event is shutter release button press, I can automatically download and process the DNG with cornerfix and I can adjust metadata with EXIFTOOL. Regards Per Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles L. Posted April 9, 2010 Share #34 Posted April 9, 2010 Can you please write a script for us Mac OS X 10.6 users? I second this! PLEEAAASE! After upgrading to 10.6, I called Leica to ask them if they would be providing an upgrade. I was told that Phase One had wrote the tethering software and therefore it was for them to provide the upgrade... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivibes Posted April 9, 2010 Share #35 Posted April 9, 2010 I just used my M9 to shoot a stop-motion video short test shoot. How to Hatch a Ferrero Rocher on Vimeo I used OS X 10.6.3 with Image Capture. When you shoot, the files are first written onto the SDHC card, then Image Capture reads the card, displays the list and gives you an option to download them. This solution is tedious and requires constant user input to download new images. Hardly a real tethered solution, but I guess its the best we have right now. I have ordered an Eye-Fi X2 Pro card from Adorama, but it has been on pre-order for sometime..... You don't have to do this manualy. In Image Capture go to File/Take Pictures. There you can set where you want your files to be downloaded to, how many pictures shoud be taken... perfect for stop motion. If you hit the fullscreen button, every new picture will be desplayed fullscreen. Perfect for live-shoots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted April 9, 2010 Share #36 Posted April 9, 2010 I frequently shoot the M9 tethered with either of the following tools. Both work reliable IMO. Mountainstorm's free "Studio & Lightroom Tether" (works standalone and as a plugin for Lightroom 2) The open-source ptpcam command-line tool In both cases, the M9 is not explicitly mentioned as a supported camera, however it does work. The M9 must be configured as a PTP (not mass storage) device in the camera's menu. Regrettably, the current M9 firmware only supports a limited subset of PTP operations (capturing and downloading images are among them) but does not let you remotely set shutter speed, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 9, 2010 Share #37 Posted April 9, 2010 What I want is to be able to shoot from the camera, and have the files automatically transfer sequentially onto the computer as fast and as reliably as possible. Image Capture does not seem to be able to do that without having to constantly tell it to download new images. You don't have to do this manualy. In Image Capture go to File/Take Pictures. There you can set where you want your files to be downloaded to, how many pictures shoud be taken... perfect for stop motion. If you hit the fullscreen button, every new picture will be desplayed fullscreen. Perfect for live-shoots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
perb Posted April 9, 2010 Share #38 Posted April 9, 2010 Can you please write a script for us Mac OS X 10.6 users? Sorry, time is short and when I have a moment to spare I'd rather be out taking photographs. I suggest you have a look at nightfire's suggestions, and of course the Eye-fi card will perhaps do eveything you need Regrettably, the current M9 firmware only supports a limited subset of PTP operations (capturing and downloading images are among them) but does not let you remotely set shutter speed, for example. My guess is shutter speed is too hardwired to the shutter speed dial, and probably requires a firmware modification that I'm sure Leica couldn't be bothered with. The other important parameter, aperture, is of course impossible Regards Per Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 9, 2010 Share #39 Posted April 9, 2010 I would like software control of the shutter for doing time lapse photography, like we used to be able to do with our Digilux 2's. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted April 9, 2010 Share #40 Posted April 9, 2010 I tried hooking up my M8 to my PC and indeed you can release the shutter via the standard Windows PTP interface, this means it should be possible to make a remote shutter release cable. Also the DNG files are listed (still erroneously as tiff) but on opening I only see a small jpeg preview. Not optimal, surely it can't be that difficult to change the registry settings & sort this out?. I never got round to trying the remote control software provided with the camera, is it worth looking into? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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