jaapv Posted November 3, 2009 Share #41 Posted November 3, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, if you are quoting DPreview, I'm afraid that is a bit too agressive a forum for me... What focus issues exactly? You may be discounting that focussing on a sensor is far more critical than focussing on film - for the camera as much as for the user. In general Leica gets it right for the camera nowadays - so normally it is the user who has to retrain himself. I think Jamie is not condescending - I think he is giving valuable advice. I'm afraid I'm not doing tests with the camera but taking photographs, and I simply disagree with "back into the box it goes" type of posts. All the time admitting it is your good right to make such a decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M9 problem. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jamie Roberts Posted November 3, 2009 Share #42 Posted November 3, 2009 So Jamie your condescending tone takes me back. Leica had been a part of my shooting since 1983. I know what the hell I'm doing with the camera. And so do other M9 shooters who seem to be having the same problem as me with issues of the camera actually able to focus. See the thread on dpreview : M9 - why aren't you guys mad?: Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review {snipped} Lenses I'm using are the B&B ... 35 Cron Asph and 28 Cron Asph ... so you can take that out of the mix. Really ... wait for firmware updates? I don't think so. I played with a M8 when they first came out and I didn't buy then. Then friends Frank Jackson and Chris Weeks got me all hot and bothered for the M9 because they were shooting with the beta and the images were great. But after playing with this and doing tests ... it's not there, and I'm not sure it will be anytime soon. So Ranting, I wasn't condescending to you in the slightest in my previous post, but since you've mentioned it now, I'm really sorry I couldn't read your mind on the focus issues you didn't mention! (you're right--you do sound like you're on DPreview!). Perhaps next time you compare your Leica with a 28 Cron to a point and shoot, you should qualify it with "doesn't focus as well as a point and shoot..." (BTW--I just deleted a longer post; I won't feed trolls past a certain point. But I'm curious, if you want to talk to Christian (Erhardt, I presume), why the heck wouldn't you just call or email him? Why name-drop on this forum? Why mention a litany of DPreview dissatisfaction again (which turns out to be 2 guys and John complaining about a camera they don't own)? Is this a power thing for you? It would be interesting if it wasn't so unhelpful to the general forum participants.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted November 3, 2009 Share #43 Posted November 3, 2009 Jamie - I fear another hijack... A shame as Noah's original point was a good one. Met up this morning with a friend who's the senior photographic curator at a national UK museum + a regular M8 user and likely M9 buyer. He's an occasional visitor to the forum and expressed his bemusement at how silly things can get here from time to time. But as you say - no point in feeding the trolls... As most actual M9 owners and users seem to be reporting - the 9M's a full frame DRF and it does the job. It's not a holy grail - it's a camera... Heigh ho... Where the forum excels for me is when I have a question or a problem. I've consistently received helpful constructive advice - sometimes when it's been mission critical too! For the rest - I suppose it's the price we pay... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantingART Posted November 4, 2009 Share #44 Posted November 4, 2009 Troll ... nice. Who anointed you three to suppress an open discussion? I am not a regular DPR reader but when you type in "M9 Issues" DP is where there are posts, and I found treads that showed that I wan't the only one having issues. That said I feel I have an isolated case. After the first round of shooting, I opened Lightroom and imported the first shots.Then I scratched my head. None of the images were very sharp. I went back out shot more making very sure about what I was focusing on and came back and viewed them again. This time the images appeared clear but what I focused on was not very sharp. This time I set up a tripod, measured distance to what I shooting, set the camera for that distance, checked the rangefinder which appeared to match and shot pictures ... at different focus lengths, and with two different lenses. Then I came back into view them. Do you know the term back focus? It's when the sensor is not set at the right distance and no matter what you do the focus is always off. Nikon had a similar problem with the D100 back in 2003-04. That is what I feel I am looking at. So I will talk with those I know at Leica and see if this can be resolved, but I am willing to wait until such issues are worked out before jumping back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted November 4, 2009 Share #45 Posted November 4, 2009 Troll ... nice. Who anointed you three to suppress an open discussion? [...] Do you know the term back focus? It's when the sensor is not set at the right distance and no matter what you do the focus is always off. Nikon had a similar problem with the D100 back in 2003-04. That is what I feel I am looking at. So I will talk with those I know at Leica and see if this can be resolved, but I am willing to wait until such issues are worked out before jumping back in. I don't think anyone's trying to suppress open opinion, it's probably tone that's causing the most issues. You've got 3 posts on this forum and right off the bat you're (true to name) ranting and implying that people here might not know what back focus is, when in fact the subject has been discussed ad nauseum here -- which a quick search would've revealed. Probably most often in regards to the 35 Lux, which would have still left you with your problem, but wouldn't leave you talking down to a lot of knowledgeable people. In any case, if you're dumping the M9 I'm sure many people here (myself included) are heartened to know that at least one used M9 will be coming on the market soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 4, 2009 Share #46 Posted November 4, 2009 ant, grow up. I think most of the folks here understand better than you what "back-focus" means. By your definition ("Do you know the term back focus? It's when the sensor is not set at the right distance..."), back-focus can occur only with digital cameras, since analog cameras have what's called "film," and no "sensor." ... This time I set up a tripod, measured distance to what I shooting, set the camera for that distance, checked the rangefinder which appeared to match and shot pictures ... at different focus lengths, and with two different lenses.... You "set the camera" for that distance and tried "different lenses." How did you "set the camera" for a distance? On a Leica M, one sets the distance on the lens, not on the camera. If you "set the camera for that difference," it must be a digicam without interchangeable lenses. And what on earth are "different focus lengths"? Do you mean "different focal distances" or "different focal lengths"? I think you're right. Neither an M9 nor this forum is for you. But thanks for dropping by to let us know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantingART Posted November 7, 2009 Share #47 Posted November 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) First of all thanks for all the great conversation here on the forum. Just wanted to share that Leica took the M9 back, acknowledged the problem, and asked if I wanted the camera back in 48 hours. Politely I said no, but I did say that I would look to the future for further updates on cameras from them. As to all of you who have been so warm and fuzzy with your comments ... maybe you should spend some more time shooting and taking a break from your computers. Goodbye all it's been real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 7, 2009 Share #48 Posted November 7, 2009 Glad it's resolved! Good things come to them who wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 7, 2009 Share #49 Posted November 7, 2009 Anyway, logically, it sounds like Leica got a working camera out the door and will optimize the software later, which is what they've done for the DMR and the M8. If so it looks like they are not alone: British Journal of Photography - Canon releases firmware update to solve EOS 7D's image flaws Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat_mcdermott Posted November 7, 2009 Share #50 Posted November 7, 2009 And cue, 'but the 7D is not a $7000 camera'... ... ... now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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