johnbuckley Posted October 26, 2009 Share #21 Posted October 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 9/9/9, a suggestion was made -- okay, I think I made it -- to merge the M8 and M9 forums under the heading "Digital M." Couldn't we look at it that way? Don't have to include DMR and X1, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Hi johnbuckley, Take a look here M9 & M8 Forum merge?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jeff S Posted October 26, 2009 Share #22 Posted October 26, 2009 As with most mergers, might be a good time to sever poor and/or redundant performers (no comments about me, please). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photolandscape Posted October 26, 2009 Share #23 Posted October 26, 2009 Bring them together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbgeach Posted October 26, 2009 Share #24 Posted October 26, 2009 merge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 26, 2009 Share #25 Posted October 26, 2009 At the moment, I think the M9 threads need to be concentrated, if only to feed the hungry, who at present are starved of a camera. The current lag in M9 supply is creating a frenzy that is 'understood' by the M9 desirers but would tend to irritate the M8'ers, reasonably so. My view is to keep the two seperate till M9 supplies improve and handing experiences are more freely available. After that, may be a good time for a merge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 26, 2009 Share #26 Posted October 26, 2009 There should be due diligence before any merger, Frank - I would have thought you would have known that... The two should merge - it goes without saying - but I agree with those who say "not yet". Let the... ...delivery shortages noise and ...early adopter, never used a film M "...what lense (sic) should I use on an M9?" nonsense ...die down ...then bring the two together. I'd say aim for the year end like all good mergers. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted October 26, 2009 Share #27 Posted October 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) There should be due diligence before any merger, Frank - I would have thought you would have known that... The two should merge - it goes without saying - but I agree with those who say "not yet". Let the... ...delivery shortages noise and ...early adopter, never used a film M "...what lense (sic) should I use on an M9?" nonsense ...die down ...then bring the two together. I'd say aim for the year end like all good mergers. Regards, Bill At this point it seems that 19 people have voted to merge M8+M9 now, 5 threads agree that merging is correct, but should be delayed . The analysis of the 5 votes suggesting a delay: One vote each suggests a delay of the merge for: 2 months, 6 months, 12 months and all those that suggest a delay are asking for it so that: M9 shortage issues can go away, and new M9 users can have a focus on M9 issues M8 users can raise their issues about new firmware and feeling somehwhat unloved That said having done some due dilligence there seems to be an overwhelming feeling that merging makes sense. I guess we should now let the moderators make the final decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 26, 2009 Share #28 Posted October 26, 2009 ...having done some due dilligence there seems to be an overwhelming feeling that merging makes sense. Really Frank, when you were a CEO did you do all of your market research based on self selecting surveys? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 26, 2009 Share #29 Posted October 26, 2009 To date, this has not been market survey. It has merely been comment by a few posters, whether for or against, on their views. If the question were to be canvassed, I suspect a formal announcement would be appropriate and then some time allowed to accommodate posters of various habits to venture their opinion. Not just a few (such as us) who rush in every few minutes to rush a decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Bébèrt Posted October 26, 2009 Share #30 Posted October 26, 2009 let's merge merge |mərj| verb combine or cause to combine to form a single entity : [ intrans. ] the utility companies are cutting costs and merging with other companies | [ trans. ] the company plans to merge its U.S. oil production operations with those of a London-based organization. | the files were merged using the patient identification code as the common variable. • incorporate revisions to a document to supersede the original : [ trans. ] if you answer "no" your changes will not be merged. • [ intrans. ] blend or fade gradually into something else so as to become indistinguishable from it : he crouched low and endeavored to merge into the darkness of the forest. • [ trans. ] cause to blend or fade into something else in such a way. ORIGIN mid 17th cent. (in the sense [immerse (oneself)] ): from Latin mergere ‘to dip, plunge.’ The use in legal contexts is from Anglo-Norman French merger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted October 26, 2009 Share #31 Posted October 26, 2009 Really Frank, when you were a CEO did you do all of your market research based on self selecting surveys? Come on let's be sensible..... So far those that have responded have ALL supported the idea of a merge. A few (6) out of (25) have suggested some delay. ...everyone else has suggested that it is done now. I believe two people suggested we merge film and digital "M's" which I think would be a mistake. I do not understand what you mean by a "self selecting survey " other than the result seems to confirm my own thoughts, and perhaps one that is not in line with your ideas.. I asked do you want to merge M8 and M9 forums...Yes or No? Surely that is reasonable way of getting solid feedback...I am at a loss to understand what you have a problem with in such an approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted October 26, 2009 Share #32 Posted October 26, 2009 To date, this has not been market survey. It has merely been comment by a few posters, whether for or against, on their views. If the question were to be canvassed, I suspect a formal announcement would be appropriate and then some time allowed to accommodate posters of various habits to venture their opinion. Not just a few (such as us) who rush in every few minutes to rush a decision. I guess asking for a "yes" or "no" is canvassing isn't it? Actually in many cases we have had more feedback than just yes or no. I accept that maybe we need more feedback despite such a strong desire for merge from those that have responded. I could believe that some people are on holiday, are busy or whatever and will give an input say during the next two weeks..After that I guess the moderators can announce a conclusion (which maybe to delay). Some would call this "dithering" but maybe it is just being thorough and allowing all to voice an opinion. I cannot personally see why this cannot be announced in two weeks time in mid November maybe with a view to merge (if that is the eventual decision) by Dec 1st or Jan 1st. Hopefully by then Leica will have shifted the bulk of the M9 delinquent backlog, and will have announced their plans to release new M8 firmware. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revdockj Posted October 26, 2009 Share #33 Posted October 26, 2009 I say merge now. It's annoying going back and forth between forums. I'm guessing there are more than a few of us who are intent upon using both the m9 and the m8. Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 26, 2009 Share #34 Posted October 26, 2009 Don't these forums have the ability to hold polls? A simple: Should the M8 and M9 forums be merged? - No - Yes, later - Yes, now would answer the question. If "Yes, later" would win, a second poll or a scan of the answers would be required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted October 26, 2009 Share #35 Posted October 26, 2009 Guys, I'm listening (again - just spent a week in hospital but nothing severe...) I can understand your point but I have to consider some more aspects: - Changing URLs always means - a weaker position in search engine ranking - blind links pointing to the forum Right now the Leica M9 buzz brings a lot of traffic to this site - so right now it would be a really bad idea to change anything named after or related to the M9. Another aspect: The structure of the forum has to follow certain guidelines for all areas. If I start changing in one section I have to apply similar rules to all the stuff - bad idea (see above...) Finally: A 25 to 6 vote in a forum with about 8,000 daily visitors isn't really really significant Regards Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted October 26, 2009 Share #36 Posted October 26, 2009 Don't these forums have the ability to hold polls? A simple: Should the M8 and M9 forums be merged? - No - Yes, later - Yes, now would answer the question. If "Yes, later" would win, a second poll or a scan of the answers would be required. Carsten I have no idea how to set up a poll within the forum. That said effectively is it not the case that this is the data that has already been generated here. We have currently : 21 Yes, now 5 Yes, later 0 No A scan of the Yes later can be done and I already did this above. I am not sure what a poll would give as extra visibility. I think maybe that there is an argument to allow this posting to run a little longer to give all a chance to respond if they have not done so already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 26, 2009 Share #37 Posted October 26, 2009 Frank Have you read what Andreas has written? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 26, 2009 Share #38 Posted October 26, 2009 Carsten I have no idea how to set up a poll within the forum. That said effectively is it not the case that this is the data that has already been generated here. We have currently : 21 Yes, now 5 Yes, later 0 No . I am changing my vote from later to no. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted October 26, 2009 Share #39 Posted October 26, 2009 Guys, I'm listening (again - just spent a week in hospital but nothing severe...) I can understand your point but I have to consider some more aspects: - Changing URLs always means - a weaker position in search engine ranking - blind links pointing to the forum Right now the Leica M9 buzz brings a lot of traffic to this site - so right now it would be a really bad idea to change anything named after or related to the M9. Another aspect: The structure of the forum has to follow certain guidelines for all areas. If I start changing in one section I have to apply similar rules to all the stuff - bad idea (see above...) Finally: A 25 to 6 vote in a forum with about 8,000 daily visitors isn't really really significant Regards Andreas Andreas glad that you are back and fit...plus listening. OK all makes sense but sometime ago I believe we were told that the sites would be merged at a future date....is that now never going to be the case for the reasons you state? Is it not possible to call the site "M9 Forum" and put M8 threads there also...maybe by auto transferring from an M8 forum as a way around the search engine issue. On Google "Leica Forum" is displayed with subheadings that do not include Leica M9, only Leica M8 subheading is listed ....is it not the case that a clean up is needed in any case to address this and maybe other issues that we are not aware of? It is impressive that 8000 visitors come to the site daily....surprising however that the number of people that are posting is so much less....That kind of daily number is equivalent to a normal year of M camera production! ....Leica must be delighted with that level of market awareness provided by the Forum. Is it really the case that if the site was merged that the 8000 visitors would somehow disappear and there is nothing that can be done to prevent this? Andreas it seems that you have no plan now or in the future to merge M9 M8 due to URL issues and search engines....if that is true it is in my view a great pity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 26, 2009 Share #40 Posted October 26, 2009 Frank Why can't you just accept what Andreas has written and leave it at that? I don't think that there were ever any promises made with regards to merging the two sub-sections (but I expect that you will trawl through old threads to prove me wrong), but if Andreas has sound reasons for keeping them separate, then that's good enough for me. Putting M8 posts in the M9 sub-section makes no sense whatsoever, as there are far more M8 users than there are M9 users. On google there are many of the sub-sections not displayed, whether that's a google thing of a forum thing, I don't know. And as for Leica being delighted with the traffic here - that rather depends upon the content and usefulness of the posts, I suspect... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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