bill Posted November 4, 2009 Share #101 Posted November 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bill Am 99% certain that they did display an R7, the implication being that the R10 would be nice and compact like the older Rs Andy, if that is the case, I offer Angelos my apology - I am always happy to admit when I'm wrong. However I do feel that it should be made clear that this has originated from a rumours site. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Hi bill, Take a look here Petition for a Leica R10. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Angora Posted November 4, 2009 Share #102 Posted November 4, 2009 What's 100% certain is that the German text speaks about a M7... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted November 4, 2009 Share #103 Posted November 4, 2009 Bill Am 99% certain that they did display an R7, the implication being that the R10 would be nice and compact like the older Rs This is my recollection of the photokina booth too, M7 typo and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 4, 2009 Share #104 Posted November 4, 2009 I also remember seeing this booth in various reports (not on rumour sites). My own take on the R10 issue is that, having taken the decision to kill the whole R line, it is inconceivable that Leica will manufacture anything themselves for the R mount. It simply wouldn't make sense if you weren't also selling lenses to go with the body. Has the R system ever made any money for Leica? My belief is that it has always cost them buckets of money (look at the cash spent developing the R8) and I dare say they will not want to go back there ever again. I also suspect that Leica may also wish they could kill the S system now before it bleeds them to death. Obviously, it would be too much of a PR disaster to do so right now but I wouldn't be surprised if Leica quietly kill it off in a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #105 Posted November 4, 2009 After six pages of twists, turns, and tangents, I'm not exactly sure what's being debated with the photokina pictures (which are real --- I recall seeing them several places, including in David Farkas' blog). Is it whether Leica ever officially stated than an R10 was in active development? As a further bit of historical documentation, Maike Harberts did an interview with Swedish television at the same photokina where she quite explicitly discusses the R10, and her role as project lead. This video was quite widely shared on this forum at the time --- here's a link to one of the threads that references the video; there are plenty of others you can find as well if you use the search function http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/798344-post29.html (cue up Bill Palmer claiming this is a Maike body double ) Using the forum search function, I also found reference to interviews with German media where Kaufmann himself indicated that the R10 was forthcoming, and that he would have preferred it be introduced prior to the S2, but deferred to Steven Lee's judgment (which would seem to contradict some forum members who claim that the R10 was Lee's pet project and never actually embraced by Kaufmann). http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/72030-r10-introduction.html Perhaps the whole story will never be known.... Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 4, 2009 Share #106 Posted November 4, 2009 As a further bit of historical documentation, Maike Harberts did an interview with Swedish television at the same photokina where she quite explicitly discusses the R10, and her role as project lead. This video was quite widely shared on this forum at the time --- here's a link to one of the threads that references the video; there are plenty of others you can find as well if you use the search function http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/798344-post29.html (cue up Bill Palmer claiming this is a Maike body double ) I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the fact that there was a project to develop an R10. However, I'm guessing what happened is that they got a new CEO who looked at the figures and cancelled the project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 4, 2009 Share #107 Posted November 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) At Photokina 2008, the R10 was a real project, with a real project manager. The display and videos etc were drivers for me to sell my DMR. The R10 project was only cancelled in the summer of this year, as far as we know. It would be interesting to know what Maike is working on at the moment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #108 Posted November 4, 2009 At Photokina 2008, the R10 was a real project, with a real project manager. The display and videos etc were drivers for me to sell my DMR. The R10 project was only cancelled in the summer of this year, as far as we know. It would be interesting to know what Maike is working on at the moment... Very unfortunate set of circumstances. Incidentally, I'm not of the mind that Leica owes us an R10 --- I recognize that any company has the right to change strategic directions at any time. I also doubt that anyone could make a case that they have/had a legal obligation to provide an R10. Ethical obligation? Given their many public pronouncements, I think this is open to debate. Was it good business sense to prioritize the S2 over the R10? Also open to debate. In my case, I spent about $12,000.00 USD this spring on two R9 bodies and several lenses via the SH Photo fire sale, hoping and expecting an R10, but knowing full well that there was a risk that I would be limited to using the gear for film only. For the most part, I don't regret the decision. I'm now likely to buy a Canon 5D2 and adapters, though can't do this till next spring (see previous expenditure, imagine reaction of otherwise loving spouse ). Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 4, 2009 Share #109 Posted November 4, 2009 (cue up Bill Palmer claiming this is a Maike body double ) I'll leave that to my stunt double Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #110 Posted November 4, 2009 I'll leave that to my stunt double Regards, Bill I was just teasing you Bill --- glad you took it in good humour. I think regarding things with a (healthy) dose of skepticism is typically warranted in life, particularly with the prevalence of rumor and innuendo on the internet. Best, Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted November 5, 2009 Share #111 Posted November 5, 2009 Andy, if that is the case, I offer Angelos my apology - I am always happy to admit when I'm wrong. However I do feel that it should be made clear that this has originated from a rumours site. Regards, Bill Hey Bill you really can trust my posts ,i'm at an age that i dont act irresponsible.It is from leica rumors site.I include that in the post in the first place.See my attach. is at the top of my initial post. So it was clear from beggining. One R10 would be so nice these days.:)I believe that is part of Leica plans to develop something like a DSLR -or better as they are very inventive-with R lens compatibility ,even M lenses-tecnically possible.I think Leica is working to create a ground braking concept in that area with a system with long livability and inventive solutions with a very unique concept that will establish the company in the edge of technical solutions /innovatios ,they decided probably not to present an average model,they aim more in the future,so we have to wait,encourage them,ask for it. But one 24x36 with good MF PANA-or other- with R mount and high pixel count could be an ok intermediate solution while we are waiting. PS surely shooting R8/R9 with film is a bliss. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/101455-petition-for-a-leica-r10/?do=findComment&comment=1103849'>More sharing options...
GreyCoupe Posted February 2, 2010 Share #112 Posted February 2, 2010 Hell, I am still trying to discover the difference between "promising an R compatible body" [whether it comes from Leica itself, or merely R- compatible] and "suitable solution"...damned if I can figure out just what suitable solution would not be an R compatible body...or why someone would be pompous enough to describe the former as putting words in Leica's mouth?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 2, 2010 Share #113 Posted February 2, 2010 Pardon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted February 2, 2010 Share #114 Posted February 2, 2010 Is that a typo in the salutation of message #112, or is GreyCoupe just really frustrated? Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted February 6, 2010 Share #115 Posted February 6, 2010 Am a bit surprised at all this. If Leica has resources to build the S2 system from scratch, it cannot be beyond the bound of what is feasible (both technically and financially) to develop an R10 with full compatibility of existing R lenses. No autofocus needed, only focus-assist. I have been a long-time Leica R adept but the way Leica has been treating its loyal R customers is nothing else than shameful. Years of expectations and then nothing. If Leica believes that R users will massively "upgrade" to the S2 they are wrong. Few people want to invest big bucks in an entirely new system (let us not even discuss the price point at which the S2 is offered), wasting the valuable investment they made in R glass. Furthermore, I also do not quite believe the world was waiting for the S2 system. Those that wanted medium format-qualities have already acquired Hasselblad, Phase One, Mamiya, Rollei, Leaf etc systems. I can hardly imagine they would suddenly abandon their big investments and jump ship. I doubt very hard that the S system will ever become a commercial success. It would already be great if Leica could recover its impressive investment in the system. But it could also be the beginning of the financial end to the company. Remember how the development of the R8 weighed on the company's finances at the end of the nineties? Especially when sales do not follow the calculated target. Leica now can be very lucky it has a financial well-doer like Mr Kaufmann, otherwise it would already have been the end of it. Indeed, like some poster made the point earlier in this thread, it would seem the real niche for Leica is back to the M system. Meanwhile I will happily continue to use film with my R system and for the digital stuff I am using MF digital in any case. Pascal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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