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M8 Detail,Dynamic Range and Color


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" Most of it has been trying to match Velvia or Kodachrome, not negative film."

 

That's probably true. Clarification like that goes a long way toward understanding the criteria.

 

I rarely shoot slide film, so my criteria is neg film which is a whole other visual aspect.

More specifically, in my case, B&W negative film as well as some 400 speed color neg films.

 

This is the look I like, and that I feel is different than digital. Personally, If I wanted something like Velvia or Kodachrome, I'd just shoot digital.

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Shot this today in Flagstaff 6400 feet up. Look at the sky. i sharpened these just a little.C1 this time.

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Look at these crops

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Those pictures are crap. If you had shot them on film it would have been a work of art. If you add some grain it might be salvagable.

 

That may be the first real accurate sky blue I have seen from a digital camera. I know you have been trying not to jump to conclusions, but the M8 is better than the DMR, sensor and lenses. IR problems or not.

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, but the M8 is better than the DMR, sensor and lenses. IR problems or not.

 

 

 

 

Damn Bill you have me at a cross roads. i simple have not seen this kind of detail in the DMR. Im ...........floored

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I had the filter on the 24mm and in C1 cut the Kelvin 700 degrees from 5600 to 4900. Been doing that lately with both c1 and raw developer. Seems to give me a better starting spot. Bill i am also at 6400 feet and no air polution stuff to deal with which probably helps the blue. i just sold my polarizer , who needs one here

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Guy - that's a pretty impressive blue there. The M lenses are considered to be better than the R line in most cases - and for you R users, I know there are reference lenses in the lineup 180 Summicron, 100 2.8 macro, 280 APO. It was looking at chromes shot with both systems that had me sell off the R gear.

 

The sky in these looks more realistic than what I have seen out of other digitals. I am real curious to see some of your commercial stuff Guy when you start using the M8 for the shots with people, etc.

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Dan i am really curious about that too with the full lighting package and the colored gels and such. This thing is singing, I agree the 180 , 280 , 100 macro are some of the best there is in the R but these M lenses are something else. i knew they were better but not by this amount. I'm floored no kidding. Just think when we start getting the colors correct on the M8 . Stuff like this makes me want a second one

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Dan i am really curious about that too with the full lighting package and the colored gels and such. This thing is singing, I agree the 180 , 280 , 100 macro are some of the best there is in the R but these M lenses are something else. i knew they were better but not by this amount. I'm floored no kidding. Just think when we start getting the colors correct on the M8 . Stuff like this makes me want a second one

 

Just remember Guy--sometimes you want to shoot long and the M8 won't do it. Wait for the R10, though ;) Then you're going to see what the R lenses can do!

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I had both the R and M systems and shot them side by side frequently. The M ASPH wides were a notch better than the equivalent R primes but there would otherwise be no consistent difference.

 

I don't see how one could draw conclusions about an entire lens lineup based on images taken using different sensors and software. The M8 is supposed to represent 2 years of progress since the DMR!

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I know and I love my DMR needless to say but I do see some differences also and yes the M8 is 2 years newer. Still my opinion is these are the 2 best image makers out there in this format and just happy i am shooting them both. Off to shoot a all day golf tourny with both. LOL

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I Off to shoot a all day golf tourny with both. LOL

 

Guy, if you're shooting foursomes today - would it be possible to post one or two images? I know it may be a client issue, etc - but I'd be interested to see how skin tones / greens and sky hold up with the Leica glass.

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They are 100 percent crops. i blow them up on screen to 100 percent than crop out a 900 pixel wide section to post. Scary stuff. i do have some from the golf tourney that i got off before the M8 died. i have a dead duck on my hands. i posted a thread about it, bummed

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Here is a golf one fromthis morning . Looks pretty good and with IR filter we still need a good profile but this is getting close

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This is very early light and here in Arizona it is very warm like 4900 Kelvin or more. This is a uncoded 24mm with the IR

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