Riley Posted November 28, 2006 Share #121 Posted November 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jamie wider tonal range is certainly worth chasing sometimes i use it as a workaround for shooting house exteriors when they are less conveniently up sun expose for sky, expose for shaddow, and a shot inbetween theres a plugin for PS called photomatix for those that want to experiment they do a standalone too Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Roberts Posted November 28, 2006 Share #122 Posted November 28, 2006 I'm siding with Kevin on this one. Harsh lighting or not - the M8 is still a digital camera. Digital files tend to have noise, much like a video camera with the gain increased. The examples David posted do exhibit a very interesting structure. What I'd like to see is the M8 at work on a cool,damp London or New York evening with a Noctilux - shot in B&W. Hmm.. can't do a Nocti shot (yet). But it was cool and damp here in Toronto (we call that "warm" in November) last weekend... Here's the 35mm lux at 1.6, one shot conversion from C1 with JFI profiles; a little film curve tweak in PS and saved out... Ok, I'm not one of those film vs digital guys either, but this is getting--from a tonality perspective--really pretty close to my eyes... BTW--FWIW--IMHO--film itself is a bit odd--what film? Developed how? Printed when by whom? Ok.. just had to get that out of my system!! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10073-m8-detaildynamic-range-and-color/?do=findComment&comment=105963'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 28, 2006 Share #123 Posted November 28, 2006 Finally a overcast sky this morning and not fighting the sun here. i took these of my son before he got on the bus to school 75mm f2 Cron wide open. Developed in C1 and I did not WB these and also had the filter on. Now this is why i like leica Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10073-m8-detaildynamic-range-and-color/?do=findComment&comment=105965'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 28, 2006 Share #124 Posted November 28, 2006 This is from Raw Converter, not much done here Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10073-m8-detaildynamic-range-and-color/?do=findComment&comment=105981'>More sharing options...
Avelino Posted November 28, 2006 Share #125 Posted November 28, 2006 Kevin, this is a lovely shot. Can you tell me what film and scanner did you use? Curious abt the lens as well. I'm not a regular here, but this needs to be said: The M8 files displayed here don't look a bit like film. They appear subtly better than those of other DSLR's, but the larger commonality with digital capture in general remains. If you like that look, great; if your clients demand it, fine. But it still doesn't look like film. So stop it, please. I've attached a humble family snapshot captured with a rangefinder camera loaded with Fuji Pro 400 to remind you what film looks like, in case you've forgotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter41951 Posted November 28, 2006 Share #126 Posted November 28, 2006 Jamiewider tonal range is certainly worth chasing sometimes i use it as a workaround for shooting house exteriors when they are less conveniently up sun expose for sky, expose for shaddow, and a shot inbetween theres a plugin for PS called photomatix for those that want to experiment they do a standalone too Riley PhotoMatix HDR photo software & plugin - Tone Mapping, Exposure Blending & HDR Imaging for photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted November 28, 2006 Share #127 Posted November 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) BTW--FWIW--IMHO--film itself is a bit odd--what film? Developed how? Printed when by whom? Ok.. just had to get that out of my system!! I see film as yet another tool I can use - that's as simple as I can state it. Granted, as Guy and many of us have previously mentioned, it's usually not an acceptable format to use any longer in this day & age if your clients need it now. But, there are occasions when people request I shoot the "old skool" way....I usually ask them why, just out of curiosity. They say they like the look. For some odd reason - I've shot more film in 2006 than I have in years. But compared to what I shoot digitally, it's a smattering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m Posted November 28, 2006 Share #128 Posted November 28, 2006 Kevin, this is a lovely shot. Can you tell me what film and scanner did you use? Curious abt the lens as well. Thanks! Fuji 400 Pro, Hexar RF, 40mm Nokton SC at f2.0. The scanning was the standard JPEG from a Noritsu commercial film scanner. The only PS work was some skin blemish retouching and mild sharpening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m Posted November 28, 2006 Share #129 Posted November 28, 2006 Jamie, your street scene pic makes it difficult to tell what the capture medium was, and that's a compliment to your post processing skills. It does seem like a fair amount of trouble, though. I have to say, though, that your B&W portrait and Guy's snapshots of the kids still scream 'digital' to me. The skin tones, in particular. I'll respond with another casual snapshot that demonstrates the skin tones I like, and that only film seems able to deliver. Fuji Pro 400, Noritsu JPEG scan, mild sharpening. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10073-m8-detaildynamic-range-and-color/?do=findComment&comment=106026'>More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 28, 2006 Share #130 Posted November 28, 2006 Here's a Nocti shot from last night, Guy: M8, 50/1.2 (original ASPH) Noct, ISO 640, 1/15 @ f/1.2, JPEG fine B&W mode, cropped and slightly lightened in Photoshop, no noise reduction, no sharpening, no filter. Picture links to a larger size on flickr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 28, 2006 Share #131 Posted November 28, 2006 Bob don't be showing me 5 thousand dollar glass i will wind up in divorce court, ROTFLMAO Great Capture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted November 28, 2006 Share #132 Posted November 28, 2006 Bob - ISO ? Thanks.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 28, 2006 Share #133 Posted November 28, 2006 sorry (I'm used to typing film specs, still getting the hang of this digital stuff). ISO was 640. I've edited the post to add it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter41951 Posted November 28, 2006 Share #134 Posted November 28, 2006 Jamie, your street scene pic makes it difficult to tell what the capture medium was, and that's a compliment to your post processing skills. It does seem like a fair amount of trouble, though. Does it take any more trouble than developing and then scanning film? Kevin, very nice shots! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_green Posted November 28, 2006 Share #135 Posted November 28, 2006 Guy, the conversions from Raw Developer just seem a little flat to me. Not lacking color, but somehow lacking the depth that is characteristically Leica. I can't put my finger on it, but I see it in your conversion and in mine too. I wrote it off initially to not knowing how to use the software (compared with Lightroom), but I'm starting to be a little less convinced. I'm not loving the skin tones from Lightroom, which I attribute to a mediocre profile, but the depth is there. Anyone want to explain a workflow for the software and suggest some curves or alternate profile for the DMR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 28, 2006 Share #136 Posted November 28, 2006 I'm just starting to play with raw developer, it has some great functions though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m Posted November 28, 2006 Share #137 Posted November 28, 2006 Bob, the hands in your shot are a giveaway. They look, for lack of the correct term, mannequin-ish. It's a lovely shot, but it does look like digital capture. I'm not trying to be argumentative, BTW. If someone out there knows the piece of kit or processing technique that makes digital look like film, then my film gear would be for sale tomorrow. I just haven't seen it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 28, 2006 Share #138 Posted November 28, 2006 Bob, the hands in your shot are a giveaway. They look, for lack of the correct term, mannequin-ish. It's a lovely shot, but it does look like digital capture. I'm not trying to be argumentative, BTW. If someone out there knows the piece of kit or processing technique that makes digital look like film, then my film gear would be for sale tomorrow. I just haven't seen it yet. Kevin-- To me it's all about unpacking all the built-in processing film has... Thanks for the compliment on the street scene. In that shot, as I said, that was three develops put into PS and merged. 10 minutes towards a fine print doesn't seem overly long to me I'd spend that much time dodging and burning film (or scanning, as Peter said). The faster way to do that is maybe with a new RAW tool called "LightZone" which lets you develop and process different parts of a RAW file independently. In other words--zone system work on the latent image. I sort of agree with you about the portrait, but I didn't mess with multiple develops there. But the M8 has the range to begin to look like film. I'll try again and let you all know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted November 28, 2006 Share #139 Posted November 28, 2006 Just for giggles - this is a Noct shot on 400 film, probably Neopan. Merely for illustrative purposes. Has been posted on this site before. MP .72 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10073-m8-detaildynamic-range-and-color/?do=findComment&comment=106105'>More sharing options...
newyorkone Posted November 28, 2006 Share #140 Posted November 28, 2006 Here's the 35mm lux at 1.6, one shot conversion from C1 with JFI profiles; a little film curve tweak in PS and saved out... Ok, I'm not one of those film vs digital guys either, but this is getting--from a tonality perspective--really pretty close to my eyes... BTW--FWIW--IMHO--film itself is a bit odd--what film? Developed how? Printed when by whom? Ok.. just had to get that out of my system!! Beautiful shot Jamie. I know we're viewing via a web browser but from my browser window, this shot reminds me of a Hasseblad capture - high res scanned MF film. Just my humble opinion. Also, one question...what do you mean by a little film curve tweak in PS? I'd like to get this look from my B&W and would appreciate the info. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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