dierk Posted March 30, 2013 Share #1 Posted March 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) first test: Leica M Monochrom with Canon 17mm TS-E tilt/shift PP: Nik Silver Efex (click) stitch of two images shifted up and down PP: Nik HDR Efex dierk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Hi dierk, Take a look here Canon 17mm/4 TS-E tilt/shift on Leica M... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
satureyes Posted March 30, 2013 Share #2 Posted March 30, 2013 now THIS is interesting - are there any limitations? Can you post what adapters you use? The 17TSE has been on my wish list for a long time and I love it - but didnt want to invest in more L glass for my Canons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted March 30, 2013 now THIS is interesting - are there any limitations?Can you post what adapters you use? The 17TSE has been on my wish list for a long time and I love it - but didnt want to invest in more L glass for my Canons! Limitations: the aperture is controlled electronically and the Leica has no contacts to the lens (you may know the Metabones adapter for Nex7)! Therefor I got a defect Canon 300D from the service in Hamburg (for free!). I use it to stop down the aperture to f/8 for example and twist off the lens from the 300D, while the aperture is closed - and it stays closed!! This lens would have been the only reason for me, to leave Nikon - have the Nikkor 24 TS lens. But now I sell all Nikon DSLR and do all my macro and wide and architecture with the Leica M.. I got the adapter today, so far I did not find any limitations. But I did not test any extreme shifts jet (the weather is not too great here). This is my adapter. More to come soon :) dierk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 30, 2013 Share #4 Posted March 30, 2013 Hmm. I knew the aperture would be the issue. Having to carry an eos body kind of defeats the point because if I'm taking the body to change the aperture I may as well shoot using the EOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 30, 2013 Share #5 Posted March 30, 2013 I know it's not a wide, but what about using an R-M adapter of any sort and then use the R 28/2.8 TS? The R 15/2.8 seems to be a very nice lens. If one has a Canon (which I do) then this lens (once I would learn how to use it) could perform double duty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted March 31, 2013 Share #6 Posted March 31, 2013 Hmm. I knew the aperture would be the issue. Having to carry an eos body kind of defeats the point because if I'm taking the body to change the aperture I may as well shoot using the EOS If you use the Novoflex adapter then you can adjust the aperture. Of course, Novofolex is much more expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtomalty Posted March 31, 2013 Share #7 Posted March 31, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) FWIW, the R (ts) does not have a tilt function but only the shift Don't know if they are shipping but Schneider announced the following at last autumns Photokina Schneider Kreuznach Rolls Out 4 New SLR Lenses | PhotographyBLOG Given that there is an aperture ring on the lens would eliminate the need for an additional Canon body to set aperture if 28mm was required Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted March 31, 2013 Hmm. I knew the aperture would be the issue. Having to carry an eos body kind of defeats the point because if I'm taking the body to change the aperture I may as well shoot using the EOS Rick, for me in using a super wide lens the aperture is no problem. Normally I set and leave it at abut f/8 on my Leica wide angles and I will do the same with the 17mm TS-E. Using it open as we are used to do with Leica glass will not give the best IQ IMO. I know it's not a wide, but what about using an R-M adapter of any sort and then use the R 28/2.8 TS? The R 15/2.8 seems to be a very nice lens. If one has a Canon (which I do) then this lens (once I would learn how to use it) could perform double duty. 28mm T/S lens is not wide enough for me. I considered the R 15/2.8 as well and almost bought one weeks ago. It is about the size of the 17mm TS-E but twice the price used and if you want to use only one cropped part as shift lens, you loose a lot of resolution/pixel. If you use the Novoflex adapter then you can adjust the aperture. Of course, Novofolex is much more expensive. Any passive adapter will not work, as there is no electronic to stop down the aperture. If you look at Metabones: they use the electronic of the body (for example Nex) and with a processor and firmware in the adapter generate the correct signal for the specific lens. Leica M M9 with Canon 17mm TS-E tilt/shift f/8, stitch of 3 images with GTGui, center - full shift right - full shift left, minimal PP in LR4, no correction of any color edges, size of the full image about 8800x3500 pix. dierk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted March 31, 2013 Share #9 Posted March 31, 2013 If you use the Novoflex adapter then you can adjust the aperture. Of course, Novofolex is much more expensive. which Novoflex adapter? AFAIK Novoflex doesn´t make an EOS > Leica M adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted March 31, 2013 Share #10 Posted March 31, 2013 FWIW, the R (ts) does not have a tilt function but only the shift Don't know if they are shipping but Schneider announced the following at last autumns Photokina Schneider Kreuznach Rolls Out 4 New SLR Lenses | PhotographyBLOG Given that there is an aperture ring on the lens would eliminate the need for an additional Canon body to set aperture if 28mm was required Mark yes, the new Schneider 28 TS looks fantastic! AFAIK it is a quite heavy lens, and a very expensive one (in a dutch price list ca. 5500 euros) as well. The widest aperture is f. 4.5. It seems to be as yet not available. I own the R 28/2.8 PC, as some of you already know, and am very very satisfied with it. Don't know how big the quality leap would be in practice from this to the new one. OK, the 28/2.8 suffers under CA on the borders and geometric distorsion, but that can be easily removed in PP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEME Posted March 31, 2013 Share #11 Posted March 31, 2013 Very interesting and nice work Dierk! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 31, 2013 Share #12 Posted March 31, 2013 Leica M M9 with Canon 17mm TS-E tilt/shift f/8, stitch of 3 images with GTGui, center - full shift right - full shift left, minimal PP in LR4, no correction of any color edges, size of the full image about 8800x3500 pix. dierk I like what you are doing, but in my experience, it is easier to rotate the camera and stitch - stitching software can keep it a rectilinear image up to a point. I used to do the lens shifting method and have a device that lets me slide the camera in the opposite direction to the shift. This eliminates near-far subject parallax. But now I use a pano head and rotate the camera instead. With a subject like the one above, a pano head is not necessary and by using the camera in a vertical position for horizontal panos one gets a little more resolution and does not use the image area from the edge of the frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 31, 2013 Share #13 Posted March 31, 2013 Interesting. I was getting all excited about using my 24mm PC-E Nikkor and then I remembered about the electronic aperture which of course the M doesn't support. I not have the lens to hand but I thought there is a manual option for those Nikon cameras which do mot support the PC-E aperture control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share #14 Posted March 31, 2013 I like what you are doing, but in my experience, it is easier to rotate the camera and stitch - stitching software can keep it a rectilinear image up to a point. I used to do the lens shifting method and have a device that lets me slide the camera in the opposite direction to the shift. This eliminates near-far subject parallax. But now I use a pano head and rotate the camera instead. With a subject like the one above, a pano head is not necessary and by using the camera in a vertical position for horizontal panos one gets a little more resolution and does not use the image area from the edge of the frames. thanks Alan, I stitched images since 2004, used the Panosaurus head and later the automatic EPIC pano head from gigapan.com (with up to 200 images). Any solution to keep the nodal point in position, will do the job. But my intention with this image was not, to show the ability for panorama shots. This is a side effect of a shift lens. I shot this boring image just as a test. The propose was, to show the vignetting of the lens in the extreme shifted positions left and right and by doing this pano you can see, were the outer edges are. This is the lowest vignetting I have ever seen on a shift lens!! As you can see yourself. Interesting. I was getting all excited about using my 24mm PC-E Nikkor and then I remembered about the electronic aperture which of course the M doesn't support. I not have the lens to hand but I thought there is a manual option for those Nikon cameras which do mot support the PC-E aperture control. Mark, I still have the Nikon D3 and the 24mm PCE. I tried the described trick with this PCE lens and it works as well. I assume, that you just need any Nikon body (any defect body may do it like my 300D), that can stop down the lens and you can use the stopped down PCE on any mirrorless camera with an adapter. I loved the 24mm PCE but I love 17mm even more dierk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 1, 2013 Share #15 Posted April 1, 2013 I shot this boring image just as a test. The propose was, to show the vignetting of the lens in the extreme shifted positions left and right and by doing this pano you can see, were the outer edges are. This is the lowest vignetting I have ever seen on a shift lens!! As you can see yourself. Got it. I agree that the 17 and the 24TSE lenses are very special. I use them for most of my interiors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 1, 2013 Share #16 Posted April 1, 2013 Mark, I still have the Nikon D3 and the 24mm PCE. I tried the described trick with this PCE lens and it works as well. I assume, that you just need any Nikon body (any defect body may do it like my 300D), that can stop down the lens and you can use the stopped down PCE on any mirrorless camera with an adapter. I loved the 24mm PCE but I love 17mm even more dierk It seems to me that Novoflex does make an adapter that controls the aperture of Nikon lenses mounted onto a Leica M for lenses that don't have an aperture ring. (Nothing like this for EOS lenses) I bet it just pushes the stop down linkage mechanism to change f stops. -------------------------------------------- Novoflex - _info The range of lens adapters for Leica M cameras was extended. 3 new versions are available: LEM/MIN-AF NT LEM/NIK NT LEM/PENT NT The new versions allow also the use of Sony alpha / Minolta AF / Nikon F / Pentax K lenses that do not come with an own aperture control anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted April 1, 2013 Share #17 Posted April 1, 2013 It seems to me that Novoflex does make an adapter that controls the aperture of Nikon lenses mounted onto a Leica M for lenses that don't have an aperture ring. (Nothing like this for EOS lenses) I bet it just pushes the stop down linkage mechanism to change f stops.... I tested that last weekend locally. The adapter does control the aperture of the Nikon G lenses. You start fully open or closed and then count clicks to end up where you want to be. I will try it with my M, and live view once it arrives before buying the adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted April 1, 2013 Share #18 Posted April 1, 2013 It seems to me that Novoflex does make an adapter that controls the aperture of Nikon lenses mounted onto a Leica M for lenses that don't have an aperture ring. (Nothing like this for EOS lenses) I bet it just pushes the stop down linkage mechanism to change f stops.-------------------------------------------- Yes they do.... Works perfect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted April 1, 2013 Share #19 Posted April 1, 2013 Does the Nikon 24mm PC behave like any other Nikon G lens in regard of adjusting the aperture? Than it should be no prob with novoflex adapter? Why do some people not like the Nikon 24mm PC so much compared to Canon?.... Regards Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted April 1, 2013 Share #20 Posted April 1, 2013 How was this one in regard performance? Nikon A 28/3,5 PC-Nikkor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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