maxofrome Posted October 3, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 3, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) My dear friends, Just few days ago I took my wonderful M9 with 35mm sum micron f/2. I shot few picture and find lens and camera really great. But just one hour ago I shot that picture to my kid with sun behind his shoulder and I have what you can see in the picture. This huge lens flare is typical of such lens? Sorry for the stupid question but coming from DSLR world is the 1st time I obtain so strong flare. picture shot at f/2 ISO 500 1/4000 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/163341-is-that-normal/?do=findComment&comment=1808775'>More sharing options...
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sblutter Posted October 3, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 3, 2011 That's a torture test, especially wide open Next time put the light behind you - or block the sun from entering directly into the lens with a card, your hand - anything Sorry, photographer error Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxofrome Posted October 3, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted October 3, 2011 That's a torture test, especially wide open Next time put the light behind you - or block the sun from entering directly into the lens with a card, your hand - anything Sorry, photographer error Pefect! I love to tell that is my fault. I am new to this realm and I am sometimes afraid that something is wrong, but I have to assume that is wrong in me :-) Thanks for your time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 3, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 3, 2011 It is not (completely) Your fault. The Summicron is a very good lens, but it has problems with lens flare. Other lenses do it much better. Sorry for my English Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikonJeff Posted October 3, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 3, 2011 It is not (completely) Your fault. The Summicron is a very good lens, but it has problems with lens flare. Other lenses do it much better. Sorry for my English Elmar Lens flare is understandable, but what the heck caused the almost perfect horizontal line between flare and background puzzles me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 3, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 3, 2011 yes was wondering about that line as well. It would appear that there is something else going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likalar Posted October 3, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 3, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Lens flare is understandable, but what the heck caused the almost perfect horizontal line between flare and background puzzles me... Yes, a weird "flare" for sure. I have that combo, and some flare is expected shooting into the low sun, especially wide open. My guess is that this (the sharp flare cut-off) is a either a rarely seen fluke of nature, never to be seen again, or gremlins! Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted October 3, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 3, 2011 Is your lens the latest Asph Summicron, or an earlier version? Do you have a filter on it? And do you use a lens hood? I own both an old Summicron 35 v.1 and the new Asph, and the old one flares a lot, but the new one is among the most flare-resistant lenses I´ve used. I never use filters unless I expect severe conditions. But always a hood. That sharp cutoff is typical for reflexions inside the camera body rather than flare within the lens itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 3, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 3, 2011 That sharp cutoff is typical for reflexions inside the camera body rather than flare within the lens itself. Yes, I suspect that this flare is probably reflecting back off the sensor but I have also found the Summicron ASPH to be one the more flare prone of the modern lens line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxofrome Posted October 3, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted October 3, 2011 Is your lens the latest Asph Summicron, or an earlier version? Do you have a filter on it? And do you use a lens hood? I own both an old Summicron 35 v.1 and the new Asph, and the old one flares a lot, but the new one is among the most flare-resistant lenses I´ve used. I never use filters unless I expect severe conditions. But always a hood. That sharp cutoff is typical for reflexions inside the camera body rather than flare within the lens itself. Hi, is the latest version the Asph Summicron. Took 2 days ago new from shop. I did not use the hood, it can be a mistake I assume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 3, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 3, 2011 That looks pretty awful; I could name a few 35mm lenses that can tackle a situation like that easily. Always use a lens hood when there's the slightest chance of flare, and see how that works out. Experiment a bit. Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 3, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 3, 2011 This illustrates one reason why I'm happier with my 28 Summicron asph on the M8.2 than my 35 Summicron asph on full frame. Still advisable, though, to follow good operating procedure...hood and and all that. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxofrome Posted October 3, 2011 Author Share #13 Posted October 3, 2011 thanks guys! All your advice are very helpful. I will follow your instruction. Hood and some more test! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 3, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 3, 2011 This illustrates one reason why I'm happier with my 28 Summicron asph on the M8.2 than my 35 Summicron asph on full frame. Still advisable, though, to follow good operating procedure...hood and and all that. Jeff Hi Jeff, Can you elaborate on that? I understand that the 28 on the M8 approximates to the 35 mm full frame, so what is making the difference? The idea of shooting into the sun is new to me, and I had assumed that the wider the lens the greater the issue of flare. Cheers John - a youngish man from the days of always shooting with the sun behind you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 3, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 3, 2011 Hi Jeff, Can you elaborate on that? I understand that the 28 on the M8 approximates to the 35 mm full frame, so what is making the difference? The idea of shooting into the sun is new to me, and I had assumed that the wider the lens the greater the issue of flare. I can only report my experience, not pretending to be an optical engineer. I suspect, however, two things. First, I think this particular 28 is less prone to flare than its 35 counterpart. And, two, the outer parts of the lens are not being used on the cropped sensor camera, possibly avoiding some extreme edge issues. But, who knows...I have have both lenses and just like the results from the 28 Summicron asph better for my prints, which is my ultimate test. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Posted October 4, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 4, 2011 That's a torture test, especially wide open Next time put the light behind you - or block the sun from entering directly into the lens with a card, your hand - anything Sorry, photographer error Not really... His gear failed do to limitation. Now it is true that a photographer must work 'around' the limitations but he really didn't do anything crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 4, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 4, 2011 Sorry for the stupid question but coming from DSLR world is the 1st time I obtain so strong flare. With an SLR you might well have had equal flare - but you would also have seen it - and adjusted your composition to make it go away - since you would have been looking at the actual image being projected by the lens. It is a basic "feature" of rangefinders that you do not see what the lens is actually projecting. Lens flare is understandable, but what the heck caused the almost perfect horizontal line between flare and background puzzles me... yes was wondering about that line as well. It would appear that there is something else going on My guess is that this (the sharp flare cut-off) is a either a rarely seen fluke of nature, never to be seen again, or gremlins! In this case the light is reflecting off the floor of the inside of the camera (remember that lenses project images upside-down and backwards - so the sun outside the frame at the top is projected below the shutter). The thickness of the "wall" in which the shutter travels casts a shadow, which is the source of the hard cutoff edge. (I'm keeping count - I think this is now the 8th time I've explained that particular phenomenon. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted October 4, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 4, 2011 Lens flare is understandable, but what the heck caused the almost perfect horizontal line between flare and background puzzles me... I don't think that flare looks normal. It's normal to get flares yet, but not that kind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 4, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 4, 2011 With an SLR you might well have had equal flare - but you would also have seen it - and adjusted your composition to make it go away - since you would have been looking at the actual image being projected by the lens. It is a basic "feature" of rangefinders that you do not see what the lens is actually projecting. In this case the light is reflecting off the floor of the inside of the camera (remember that lenses project images upside-down and backwards - so the sun outside the frame at the top is projected below the shutter). The thickness of the "wall" in which the shutter travels casts a shadow, which is the source of the hard cutoff edge. (I'm keeping count - I think this is now the 8th time I've explained that particular phenomenon. ) I could name a few camera (bodies) that don't have that problem... Flare is to be expected, to some extent, when shooting straight into the sun. The extent to which it is controlled would depend on optical design, coating (nano coating anyone?) and the use of a hood, but it will always be there. Also, of course it is not "photographer's error". The sun or any fierce light, shooting straight into it, can be a fascinating creative tool, when used sensibly. http://www.nikonimages.com/gallery/1509/U1509I1290287188.SEQ.0.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxofrome Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share #20 Posted October 4, 2011 I read carefully all your advice and this morning I wake up early waiting for sun to rise. Around 8:20 am I shot some picture in similar condition of yesterday evening. I shot in from of the sun with the hood today and I haven't seen any flare. I will try once again this evening at around 5 pm when sun will start to go down and see what happend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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