sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Share #1 Posted October 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is Leica IR filter needed on this lens vs B+W. Thin or normal. I read that a normal one allows the hood to be used? Also what filter to get if buying a smaller metal hood off ebay. TIA guys :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 4, 2007 Share #2 Posted October 4, 2007 Sparkie i would get the leica filter to be honest. I have it on my 24mm and there is no left over bleed or drift using the Leica , I'm afraid the B+W there still maybe some corner issues . Have not tested it but I know for a fact with the WATE at every setting the Leica filter works better than the B+W . Actually leica last told me they recommend from 35mm down to use only the Leica filters . i would say from 28mm down but 24mm i would certainly go leica filter to be safe. on e-bay do a search for 55mm metal hoods. Look for a seller named heavystar, i buy my hoods from him. i will look for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 4, 2007 Share #3 Posted October 4, 2007 I suggest you get a Leica IR cut filter for it. The B+W normal Pro filter is a little big in diameter and it makes put on or taking off the hood difficult. Before I got the Leica filter I used a B+W one and filed round slots on the outside of the filter that lined up with the slots on the lens that hold the hood in the correct position. After doing that the hood went on and off fairly easily but still tighter then when using a Leica filter. As for the image Q I saw no difference between the 2 filters. Oh and you don't want a Thin filter. I haven't had any but from what I hear they are actually bigger in diameter then the normal and they have NO threads on the outside to accept any other screw on/in filter or hood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 4, 2007 Share #4 Posted October 4, 2007 Bingo exactly what I have http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Metal-Wide-Angle-55mm-Screw-in-Lens-Hood_W0QQitemZ140163541844QQihZ004QQcategoryZ78999QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 4, 2007 Share #5 Posted October 4, 2007 Hi Sparkie, I have a 24mm B+W filter on mine and haven't noticed any problems with colour casts in the corners. Using the hood with the standard filter is a tight fit. With the slimline filter in place the hood won't fit at all - if anyone wants to buy a slimline filter let me know <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted October 4, 2007 thanks Guy, Ed, Steve. Much appreciated :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted October 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Sparkie, I have a 24mm B+W filter on mine and haven't noticed any problems with colour casts in the corners. Using the hood with the standard filter is a tight fit. With the slimline filter in place the hood won't fit at all - if anyone wants to buy a slimline filter let me know <grin> why is that ? i thought it would have been the other way around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 4, 2007 Share #8 Posted October 4, 2007 why is that ? i thought it would have been the other way around The slimline filter is shorter front to back but bigger in diameter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted October 4, 2007 Got ya. Thanks Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 4, 2007 Share #10 Posted October 4, 2007 sparkie, I don't own the 24, but can see the difference between the Leica and B+W on my 35 Lux Asph on some shots, with the Leica being better. I would not take the chance on the B+W on wider lenses than 50mm. Having said that, all my longer lenses are wearing B+W filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted October 4, 2007 sparkie, I don't own the 24, but can see the difference between the Leica and B+W on my 35 Lux Asph on some shots, with the Leica being better. Really, I haven't noticed. But that bugs the hell out of me. I have B+W IR filters for like 2 of my 35's and my 28/2.8 ASPH. If you are noticing it on the 35, than it must be worse on the 28. I'm steaming Why didn't Leica warns us of this. I would definitely have held off till Leica got them thru the supply chain. So it looks like there is going to be a flood of B+W filters on ebay now. Looks like I have to replace at least 3 filters. *ugh* what a pain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 4, 2007 Share #12 Posted October 4, 2007 Well, the 35/2 Asph was fine with a B+W filter. I guess that is where it ends though. I am not sure what you mean with "Leica didn't warn us". I don't recall them recommending B+W filters, quite the contrary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted October 4, 2007 they could have said something like, only leica IR filters are optmised for leica wide angles xxmm onwards. or did they and i missed it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 4, 2007 Share #14 Posted October 4, 2007 I think they have said it in FAQ's and such. My sales rep told me the latest is 35mm down. to use a Leica filter. As a beta tester for them i know for a fact the firmware is tuned to the Leica filters and i have them on all my lenses but certainly can use the B+W on the longer ones but you may have a very very small color shift, not a big deal. And don't feel bad i have more B+W filters here than most stores. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 4, 2007 Share #15 Posted October 4, 2007 Really, I haven't noticed. But that bugs the hell out of me. I have B+W IR filters for like 2 of my 35's and my 28/2.8 ASPH. If you are noticing it on the 35, than it must be worse on the 28. I'm steaming Why didn't Leica warns us of this. I would definitely have held off till Leica got them thru the supply chain. So it looks like there is going to be a flood of B+W filters on ebay now. Looks like I have to replace at least 3 filters. *ugh* what a pain I wouldn't bother swapping them until and unless you see a problem. In some cases, the 486 filters provide *more neutral* results than the Leica filters with 28 mm and longer lenses. Even using only the "Leica" filters, the M8 corrections aren't always right on with all lenses in all lighting. In other words, its often splitting hairs to say which works better at 28 mm and longer and so I wouldn't worry about it. If you read my site, check out the "Beating the Blues" article for side by side examples. Leica initially sent out review copies of Schneider 486 filters as *examples* of the filters they would be providing. They then switched to another supplier and the final firmware was tweaked for the new supplier's filters. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sparkie Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted October 4, 2007 looks good to me. no cyan or red corners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted October 4, 2007 Share #18 Posted October 4, 2007 I wouldn't bother swapping them until and unless you see a problem. In some cases, the 486 filters provide *more neutral* results than the Leica filters with 28 mm and longer lenses. Even using only the "Leica" filters, the M8 corrections aren't always right on with all lenses in all lighting. In other words, its often splitting hairs to say which works better at 28 mm and longer and so I wouldn't worry about it. If you read my site, check out the "Beating the Blues" article for side by side examples. Leica initially sent out review copies of Schneider 486 filters as *examples* of the filters they would be providing. They then switched to another supplier and the final firmware was tweaked for the new supplier's filters. Cheers, Sean I don't think Leica mislead people. If asked, they said to wait for Leica filters. Of course, we didn't. It appears that they also decided that the filter formulation that Schneider/B&W was using would be harder to correct than the filter that they ended up with (it seems that is the case), or they found a supplier with a less expensive solution and more capacity and a slightly different product, or... I don't think we will ever know, but it does appear that they were learning as they brought one size after another on stream, and discovered different problems with each one, so it took time to reach the current state, and they may not be finished yet. I've also got a 55mm B&W filter for sale if anyone has a Noctilux that needs it. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_S Posted October 4, 2007 Share #19 Posted October 4, 2007 I've also got a 55mm B&W filter for sale if anyone has a Noctilux that needs it. Scott, I am only aware of E58 or E60 thread mounts for the Noctilux. Or are you referring to the f/1.2 version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 4, 2007 Share #20 Posted October 4, 2007 I don't think Leica mislead people. If asked, they said to wait for Leica filters. Of course, we didn't. It appears that they also decided that the filter formulation that Schneider/B&W was using would be harder to correct than the filter that they ended up with (it seems that is the case), or they found a supplier with a less expensive solution and more capacity and a slightly different product, or... I don't think we will ever know, but it does appear that they were learning as they brought one size after another on stream, and discovered different problems with each one, so it took time to reach the current state, and they may not be finished yet. I've also got a 55mm B&W filter for sale if anyone has a Noctilux that needs it. scott Scott... Of course, they didn't intentionally mislead people. They simply changed their minds and went with another option. That happens in the course of product development. As for "we will never know" - I'm not sure who "we" is but people who do know what happened, in greater detail, aren't at liberty to discuss it. People bought B+W filters because: A) Leica initially provided them to reviewers as examples of what their filters would be. We had pictures to make and leaving the IR problem uncorrected wasn't a viable option. I'll again state that people are worrying and fussing too much about the B+W filters. The match between the Leica filters and the firmware is nowhere near as precise and consistent as some imagine it to be. It's all being fed by a myth of precision that isn't based in what really happens when lighting conditions change. If the lens is 28 mm or longer, B+W should be just fine. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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