I love Lightroom, oh no, I also like Capture one

[minhhich]

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So, I have been a 4 years user of Adobe lightroom (1.2, 2 and now 3beta2) and I love it. I recently switched to Capture one as I bought my M8.2. I also love capture one because of its ability to extract details and colour of my leica (similar to some slide film) The colour is so rich and true. The only thing I dont like is its interface and lack of controls as I could do with Lightroom. I downloaded lightroom 3 beta last night and ended up all night trying out. Cool new helpful features that makes me wanna switch back to the Adobe software. The details on lightroom 3 is almost as good as C1. But no, not the colour. I compare two identical images of a red car and C1 produces a true red while Lightroom 3 does it so it looks like a dark pink. Damn it. why dont both of them just learn from each other to make 2 perfect software.( I hate switching back and forward cuz it affect my workflow. (

 

C1 non process

 

Lightroom 3 non- process

[ho_co]

If you haven't seen it, maybe Michael Reichmann's article A Workflow Combining Capture One and Lightroom can help you put the two together more smoothly.

[minhhich]

Thanks Ho_co

[archi4]

Make a profile for Lightroom (3 beta2) using the Adobe DNG profile Editor.

I have both CaptureOne 5 pro and LR3 beta2 and have always used the Profile Editor to get the skin and reds as I like them from Capture One also from older versions of these two programs.

Detail and `noise reducrion was always a hands down win for Capture One until LR3 Beta2.

regards, maurice

[wda]

Have you considered producing a camera profile for your M8.2? Once you have done that and tweaked it to give the results you like, you can save it as a preset and automatically apply it to every download in the future. That should produce consistently good results which you can tweak again, individually, should circumstances so demand.

 

I regularly use a preset in LR2.6 but am just about to go one step further using a new Xrite Colorchecker Passport for each of my current in-use digital cameras. Have any members used this calibration aid successfully?

[Jamie Roberts]

Um, what do you want to do with Lightroom that you can't do with C1 v5? At least as far as raw conversion (and not asset management) goes?

 

At least your LR 3 shot shows it's getting better

[Guest WPalank]

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The black points seem to be different on both images (yes, I know, two different sets of software).

 

It looks like you shot on a hazy day (background), but there still seems to be a bit of a haze in front of the girl stepping out of the car in the C1 image. I don't see it in the LR image. In the Adobe products, (CS4 ACR and LR), I would deal with this by pushing the black point to the right slightly.

[fotoism]

As they are now I prefer the C1 image: there are more details in the girl's ( in the driver's seat) dress, and the skin tone is more flesh-like. Futher processing by either LR or C1 would definitely change the outcome, though.

BTW, which red on the car is closer to the real thing?

[wda]

minhhich, I have tried to process each of your pictures shown above, in CS4. In each case I adjusted the white balance using the white on the car number plate (not a pure white, I know). Next I adjusted in CS4 using Highlight/Shadows. Finally, I applied slight Smart Sharpening (50%)

 

Of my two versions, LR3 beta showed a much cleaner image than the ones above, but that might be affected by the White Balance correction you had already applied. It is much better to go back to the original Raw files. In each case the red on the car was a slightly different hue, with the LR version being a shade more blue in the red, although not to the detriment of the whole picture. In both cases the dresses had much more detail than above. I will post them only with your permission.

[Jamie Roberts]

minhhich, I have tried to process each of your pictures shown above, in CS4. In each case I adjusted the white balance using the white on the car number plate (not a pure white, I know). Next I adjusted in CS4 using Highlight/Shadows. Finally, I applied slight Smart Sharpening (50%)

 

Of my two versions, LR3 beta showed a much cleaner image than the ones above, but that might be affected by the White Balance correction you had already applied. It is much better to go back to the original Raw files. In each case the red on the car was a slightly different hue, with the LR version being a shade more blue in the red, although not to the detriment of the whole picture. In both cases the dresses had much more detail than above. I will post them only with your permission.

 

David, you can't really tell much of anything by reprocessing the JPEGs as posted. I would expect the LR files to have more detail (because Adobe has probably the best JPEG engine on the planet ), but the colour is still off. You got it right when you said "it's much better to go back to the original raw files"...

 

C1 just doesn't have the best JPEG engine out there and that's not its strength (though for most uses they're more than good enough).

 

For TIFFs though, it can't be beat, and it's colour (especially in reds, which affects skin tones) is much better with less work than Lightroom's, IMO.

[fotoism]

Jamie:

 

So if you need JPEG files do you routinely develope DNG in C1 into TIFF then export to LR for processing into JPEG?

[minhhich]

I found out something after some reading, I modified the red in LR calibration to camera standard and the result is now very pleasing. Notice both images in the original post were at 4600 K. and the following aswell. The red in C1 was closer to the true red of the car but now I managed to get it with LR too. Thanks for all of your helps

 

LR3 calibration fixed

[minhhich]

@Jamie: please post your fix

[Jamie Roberts]

Jamie:

 

So if you need JPEG files do you routinely develope DNG in C1 into TIFF then export to LR for processing into JPEG?

 

It really depends, but that's basically it....

 

If the final JPEG has to go to a great printer (for an album, say) or it's being enlarged beyond, say, 5 * 7, then yes, the workflow is C1-->TIFF--> Photoshop (not Lightroom) for print preparation.

 

If I'm proofing to the web or to small prints, then the JPEGs from C1 are absolutely fine.

[Jamie Roberts]

@Jamie: please post your fix

 

What fix are you talking about?

 

BTW--glad you fixed the car in LR, but now the skin is too cyan / magenta And the car still doesn't look as good to me.

[wda]

I think the reference is to my offer in posting #9.

 

Here is my version of your version processed in LR. I would stress that I have been working on a JPEG image which has already passed through several stages of post-processing before I adjusted white balance. My adjustment was based on the white background to the car number plate which is almost certainly not spectrally neutral. I feel that the image is slightly too red which could be redressed in further processing. Ideally I would prefer to start with a RAW image because there is more potential for fine control. Do bear this all in mind in judging my final result! But notice the extra detail I have found in the dresses.

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[Jamie Roberts]

I think the reference is to my offer in posting #9.

 

Here is my version of your version processed in LR. I would stress that I have been working on a JPEG image which has already passed through several stages of post-processing before I adjusted white balance. My adjustment was based on the white background to the car number plate which is almost certainly not spectrally neutral. I feel that the image is slightly too red which could be redressed in further processing. Ideally I would prefer to start with a RAW image because there is more potential for fine control. Do bear this all in mind in judging my final result! But notice the extra detail I have found in the dresses.

 

You've added contrast, but the red colour is even worse (more cyan) than it was before, IMO. You haven't found extra detail, either IMO, just increased the overall luminance. Highlight and shadow adjustments are also notorious for playing havoc with neutrals as well, so I suspect grays aren't anymore Are those dresses really light magenta? Skin is also blown-out now.. so overall, it's back to the RAW.

 

There is simply a better overall color balance with magenta / red / cyan in the C1 rendering. Fixes to the JPEG, unless they're selective, aren't going to fix this.

[wda]

Jamie, you are right; it is back to the raw if there was ever such a file in this case. I await the OP's comments. Here is the C1 tweaking:

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