luigi bertolotti Posted January 25, 2011 Share #81 Posted January 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, JC is always precise : version1,2,3 in order : the version 3 had in turn little variants in finishings, which explains the look of the item you posted (rings' knurling only ? This was the question scrutinized in some obscure posts in this thread...). Version 3 had a different optical formula from the previous ones, and its performances, expecially in contrast, are definitely better: personally, I never had any R lens... they made various 280 APO (f2,8 - f4 - "modular" Apo Telyt).. i suppose they are superior in image quality.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k-hawinkler Posted January 25, 2011 Share #82 Posted January 25, 2011 JC, Luigi, Many thanks for the info. Apparently, this lens from 1975 has been sitting in a store collection since the 1980s. It's being sold as brand new - has never been used - and comes with an unfilled warranty card from Leica USA. I should have it by Thursday. I wonder whether it wouldn't be a good idea to send it for CLA to Leica or a qualified technician. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 25, 2011 Share #83 Posted January 25, 2011 If it's brand new, maybe it has been also boxed for long, and dust (and fungus, hopefully) haven't done their job... inspect the glass (unscrewing the lens head), the movement of focus... take some pictures... can be that it doesn't need any restoration: compliments for your finding !!! Is a fine lens to have & use (trivial to say, for Leitz lenses... ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 25, 2011 Share #84 Posted January 25, 2011 Thanks. Will do. One of their selling points was: "In the original box which is shopworn." I hope for the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted January 25, 2011 Share #85 Posted January 25, 2011 It is a nice lens, not full APO quality but great performer.... I used it with "Focorapid" like the "Televit" mount and there it becomes still minimum better (contrast), less reflections in the focusing mount .. regards, Jan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 27, 2011 Share #86 Posted January 27, 2011 It is a nice lens, not full APO quality but great performer.... I used it with "Focorapid" like the "Televit" mount and there it becomes still minimum better (contrast), less reflections in the focusing mount .. regards, Jan Thanks. Interesting remark, please look at the second image in http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1592228-post114.html. Are those reflections causing the haze? My lens arrived in good shape and looks just like JCB's version III (last image) in http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1525611-post22.html. Also, the lens head screws straight into the Bellows II without an adapter. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted January 28, 2011 Share #87 Posted January 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..that should be direct light on the first element (lens) ....do you using a filter? Do a test with a penlight to see if the lens has haze inside, never had so much flare! regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 28, 2011 Share #88 Posted January 28, 2011 ..that should be direct light on the first element (lens) ....do you using a filter?Do a test with a penlight to see if the lens has haze inside, never had so much flare! regards, Jan Thanks for the feedback. No filter, absolutely no haze inside, clean as a whistle. The lens looks really new. I think I am the first real user. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted January 28, 2011 Share #89 Posted January 28, 2011 Thanks for the feedback. No filter, absolutely no haze inside, clean as a whistle.The lens looks really new. I think I am the first real user. Best, K-H. ...you mean, it was only built for the showcase..... I used the second version often... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! back to your pictures... in the first picture, the Tone scale is not fully used, it becomes much more contrast with correct settings... The second picture has flare. Did you use the built in sunshade? (the picture has a strange tone scale did you correct anything?) regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! back to your pictures... in the first picture, the Tone scale is not fully used, it becomes much more contrast with correct settings... The second picture has flare. Did you use the built in sunshade? (the picture has a strange tone scale did you correct anything?) regards, Jan ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/137146-bellows-ii-16598j-280mm-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1571691'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 28, 2011 Share #90 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) ...you mean, it was only built for the showcase..... That's apparently so. Quoting from the dealer ad, I added the emphasis: "Built in tripod socket on this lens has never had a tripod installed. New in original shop worn box. Imported by and purchased from Leica USA! We have had this in our store collection since the 1980's and want to sell it now because it's about time. It is absolutely 100% perfect brand new! Unfilled warranty card from Leica USA is included! In the original box which is shopworn. This is a brand new, factory direct, boxed, lens being CLOSED OUT at far below retail price. If for any reason you find an imperfection in this, the LOW CLOSEOUT price already compensates for such and the issue would need to be taken up with the manufacture, Leica. A camera dealer closing out our Leica inventory!" Looking at the lens, I think their ad is probably not that far from the truth. Of course, they didn't get everything right. Again quoting from their ad: "The removable lens head fits the bellows 2 via adapter 16598, not included." Of course, as you guys established in this thread, it doesn't need the adapter, it screws right in without any adapter. I used the second version often... [ATTACH]241612[/ATTACH] Very nice Focorapid. I have the second version of the 280 as well and an older Televit that came with a Telyt 400 mm f/5.6. I guess I would need the Televit adapter 14138 to duplicate Luigis's feat in http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1533078-post63.html. I wonder whether my old Televit would work or whether there is a newer one I would need. Once I better understand the third version, I would like to do some comparisons with the second version. That should be educational as well, at least for me. back to your pictures... in the first picture, the Tone scale is not fully used, it becomes much more contrast with correct settings... Correct. I had AWB set on the M9 and didn't change anything in post processing, except convert from raw to jpg. In the following image, I set WB to daylight and pushed the auto button in ACR: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The second picture has flare. Did you use the built in sunshade? (the picture has a strange tone scale did you correct anything?) regards, Jan Yes I used the sunshade. No, I did not correct anything. Following is the second picture with the same corrections applied as in the picture just shown: It's certainly an improvement. The problem seems to be caused by the fact that the sun is illuminating the horses right cheek from above to the right of the post. Please, note there is basically no problem with the same colored fur to the left of the post. May be, as a first step, I should send the lens in and have some CLA done. That would also be a good way to find out whether the warranty card is still valid and accepted by Leica in NJ. If that doesn't solve the problem, I wonder whether a new lens coating would result in a major reduction in flaring or not. Of course, such a treatment may be prohibitively expensive and not worth the risk. Do you have any idea about the cost of re-coating, maybe even just the front element? Best, K-H. Edited January 28, 2011 by k-hawinkler Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes I used the sunshade. No, I did not correct anything. Following is the second picture with the same corrections applied as in the picture just shown: It's certainly an improvement. The problem seems to be caused by the fact that the sun is illuminating the horses right cheek from above to the right of the post. Please, note there is basically no problem with the same colored fur to the left of the post. May be, as a first step, I should send the lens in and have some CLA done. That would also be a good way to find out whether the warranty card is still valid and accepted by Leica in NJ. If that doesn't solve the problem, I wonder whether a new lens coating would result in a major reduction in flaring or not. Of course, such a treatment may be prohibitively expensive and not worth the risk. Do you have any idea about the cost of re-coating, maybe even just the front element? Best, K-H. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/137146-bellows-ii-16598j-280mm-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1571724'>More sharing options...
telewatt Posted January 28, 2011 Share #91 Posted January 28, 2011 is the second picture the only one with this problems? It looks quite strages .....reflection or something was between the horse and the lens... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 28, 2011 Share #92 Posted January 28, 2011 is the second picture the only one with this problems?It looks quite strages .....reflection or something was between the horse and the lens... regards, Jan No, but it was the worst I have come up with so far. I noticed the problem first when I pointed the lens into the general direction of the sun, but of course, not directly at it. I would never do that! Following, is an image, taken with the 280 v3, of a red barn door which looks incredibly bad on the little screen of the M9. The red door looks almost white. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Depending on which angle I hold the screen of my 17" PowerBook Pro, I can create a similar effect, the steeper the screen, the worse it gets and somewhat of a flare seems to be noticeable even in the dark barn entrance. I have never noticed this kind of behavior before. Go figure. Many thanks for your help. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Depending on which angle I hold the screen of my 17" PowerBook Pro, I can create a similar effect, the steeper the screen, the worse it gets and somewhat of a flare seems to be noticeable even in the dark barn entrance. I have never noticed this kind of behavior before. Go figure. Many thanks for your help. Best, K-H. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/137146-bellows-ii-16598j-280mm-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1571756'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 28, 2011 Share #93 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) .... Very nice Focorapid. I have the second version of the 280 as well and an older Televit that came with a Telyt 400 mm f/5.6. I guess I would need the Televit adapter 14138 to duplicate Luigis's feat in http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1533078-post63.html. I wonder whether my old Televit would work or whether there is a newer one I would need. ..... Best, K-H. Afaik the Televit had one version only... btw, my one too arrived with a Telyt 400 5,6... it was the complete set of components, surely originally sold as complete (all the boxes were clearly equally aged) : the lens' number is 2.252.128 : if your 400 is around this age, you can be 100% sure that your Televit does fit your 280 lenshead... provided you find the 14138... About the strange issues in some of your pics... it has came to my mind that, long time ago, I heard of similar strange problems related not to the lens in itself, but to the Visoflex... I seem to remember (vaguely) of "light leaks" in the various couplings (lens-to-Viso, Viso-to-body, mirror-to-ground glass ? I don't remember...) which, in certain conditions, angles etc... could veil the negative (the story dates back years before digital). Edited January 28, 2011 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted January 28, 2011 Share #94 Posted January 28, 2011 that looks like a reflection of the sensor on the last lens element and back.... o.k...the picture is overexposed, with correct exposing, you can not see it that strong..... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/137146-bellows-ii-16598j-280mm-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1571825'>More sharing options...
telewatt Posted January 28, 2011 Share #95 Posted January 28, 2011 please send a picture of the set......perhaps the problem is in the Bellow II or elsewhere... regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 29, 2011 Share #96 Posted January 29, 2011 Luigi, Jan, Many thanks for your help. So far, I had attached the Telyt 280/4.8 v3 via Viso III to the M9. In order to rule out any problems associated with the Viso, I attached the Telyt via an adapter to my Nikon D3 and made the following observation: Shooting on a tripod in a fairly low light scenario it noticed that this whitish circular feature seems to become more prominent the further one stops down. I have never seen this on any of my other lenses. So I have concluded that this particular lens has serious/fatal issues and I will send it to a qualified technician first thing in the morning. Thanks again for your feedback. I greatly appreciate it and will keep you in the info loop once I hear back from the technician. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 3, 2011 Share #97 Posted February 3, 2011 I heard back from the technician. Contrary to my earlier erroneous post http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1592502-post87.html, careful inspection by the technician found quite a bit of haze on several different surfaces that should clean up pretty well. I have also mailed the 2-year limited warranty card to Leica, NJ. I had already registered the lens online, but they requested to mail in the card as well. After all, only the original buyer is covered under that warranty. The lens was built in 1975 and sat in a Wisconsin store for the last 30 some years. If the climate there is anything like Illinois or Minnesota, in the summer it will be pretty hot and humid - not ideal for storing a lens - unless their (storage) room had a well controlled environment. Doubtful. So, I have these questions: • What could Leica NJ/Solms do differently than cleaning up the haze? • Do they even still have parts? • To what extent can a fairly old lens in the described condition be restored? In http://www.imx.nl/photo/downloads/files/page70-leicapocket_pod1.pdf Erwin Puts lists the production numbers for cameras and lenses. For Telyt 280 of any kind the production numbers per year are: year From _ # Total To ___# Lens ._____ 1: f# 1961 1850001 1000 1851000 Telyt .____. 48 280 1961 1900001 1000 1901000 Telyt .____. 48 280 1963 1993001 _900 1993900 Telyt .____. 48 280 1965 2122651 1000 2123650 Telyt .____. 48 280 1966 2216201 1000 2217200 Telyt .____. 48 280 1968 2298351 _600 2298950 Telyt .____. 48 280 1969 2340801 1500 2342300 Telyt ._____48 280 1974 2713851 _150 2714000 Telyt ._____48 280 1975 2757651 _250 2757900 Telyt ._____48 280 1977 2815901 _200 2816100 Telyt ._____48 280 1978 2933501 _200 2933700 Telyt-R .___48 280 1980 3059601 _200 3059800 Telyt ._____48 280 1983 3280401 1000 3281400 Apo-Telyt-R 28 280 1985 3350801 1000 3351800 Apo-Telyt-R 28 280 1989 3492301 1000 3493300 Apo-Telyt-R 28 280 1993 3621833 _500 3622332 Apo-Telyt-R 40 280 1994 3658831 _500 3659330 Apo-Telyt-R 40 280 1996 3740701 __11 3740711 Apo-Telyt-R 28 280 1996 3747619 _500 3748118 Apo-Telyt-R 40 280 1997 3801910 _500 3802409 Apo-Telyt-R 40 280 These numbers seem to imply that at most only 800 Telyt 280/4.8 v3 lenses were ever built. I would think it's not often that this lens in pristine condition becomes available for sale. So, some degree of restoration of such a lens probably has to be taken into consideration. After all, they don't make them anymore and made the last ones over a quarter of a century ago. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 3, 2011 Share #98 Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) Mine is on the last 20 s/n of the 1977 batch. I just make some trials one hour ago using the R8/DMR/adapter/4.8/280 V3 combo and one + the Extender R x2 from my window to 45 m away to one of the mimosa tree. ISO 100 f8 a little wind disturbing. No cropping. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 3, 2011 by jc_braconi Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/137146-bellows-ii-16598j-280mm-telyt/?do=findComment&comment=1577309'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 3, 2011 Share #99 Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) Hi JC, Thanks. These images look of terrific technical quality on my glossy iPad screen. You obviously took great care of your lens. Congratulations for your fine lens. For how long have you had this particular lens in your possession? Best, K-H. Edited February 3, 2011 by k-hawinkler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 3, 2011 Share #100 Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) With regards to the 1978 batch, were those lenses of type Telyt or as listed by Puts type Telyt-R? Best, K-H. Edited February 3, 2011 by k-hawinkler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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