Ludders Posted April 18, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 18, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) After yet another outing with my X1 when I missed several shots due to the slow autofocus, I have decided to part exchange my X1 for a M8. Love the feel and look of my X1 and have learnt to live with the controls on top that move with the slightest knock but can't live with the autofocus. Will be trying to talk someone into a part exchange deal. Is it just me or are others also giving up? Ludders Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul Hart Posted April 18, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 18, 2011 I used to own an M8, and the autofocus was much, much slower than the X1...but seriously, give the X1 (with v2 firmware) a serious chance in MF mode before you sell up. And why get into all that fuss with UV/IR filters, etc? Just my ha'pnyworth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted April 18, 2011 Share #3 Posted April 18, 2011 Hello First question that needs to be answered is: Have you updated to 2.0 firmware? If the answer is "no" then you need to do that first and then make your decision. The AF is on par with any other Point & Shoot on the market now, very crisp. If you have updated the FW then well, I guess no one can fault you. Who wouldn't want an M8? Keep in mind though you may miss those 1 in 10 shots with the M8 because the focus is run by you, a human, which is prone to just as many mistakes as any autofocus. In the end they are two different cameras, but two great cameras all the same. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted April 18, 2011 Share #4 Posted April 18, 2011 I used to own an M8, and the autofocus was much, much slower than the X1...but seriously, give the X1 (with v2 firmware) a serious chance in MF mode before you sell up. And why get into all that fuss with UV/IR filters, etc? Just my ha'pnyworth. M8 autofocus was much slower then the X1? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jippiejee Posted April 18, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 18, 2011 I was out playing with my X1 today again, and can't say the AF was sluggish at all since the firmware upgrade. Very snappy actually... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hart Posted April 18, 2011 Share #6 Posted April 18, 2011 M8 autofocus was much slower then the X1? The '...but seriously...' was the clue Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludders Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted April 18, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Done the firmware update and still not fast enough and so will be looking for a M8. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Holy Moly Posted April 18, 2011 Share #8 Posted April 18, 2011 Done the firmware update and still not fast enough and so will be looking for a M8. do you have already experiences with RF? It's totally different in the field, especially when focussing with the cam in landscape mode. If you switch without experiences try at first with a cheap cam from friends or a friendly shop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted April 19, 2011 Share #9 Posted April 19, 2011 Why M8 not M9? Significant upgrade -- though I guess autofocus is the same speed on both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted April 19, 2011 Share #10 Posted April 19, 2011 Well, I think you'll enjoy the M8, certainly a much different camera system than the X1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted April 19, 2011 Share #11 Posted April 19, 2011 Hmmm.... If one desires AF if the X1 is too slow then the logical alternative has to be DSLR. If one can make do with manual focus or for street shooting I cannot for one see how slow the X1 can be given the revised firmware. The M8 is great though, but for different reasons like interchangeable lens, better build quality, etc etc long with some drawbacks for example high iso performance. NOT faster AF. Maybe your priorities have not been totally worked out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted April 19, 2011 Share #12 Posted April 19, 2011 Hmmm.... If one desires AF if the X1 is too slow then the logical alternative has to be DSLR. If one can make do with manual focus or for street shooting I cannot for one see how slow the X1 can be given the revised firmware. The M8 is great though, but for different reasons like interchangeable lens, better build quality, etc etc long with some drawbacks for example high iso performance. NOT faster AF. Maybe your priorities have not been totally worked out. or maybe the OP is trolling Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 19, 2011 Share #13 Posted April 19, 2011 I used to own an M8, and the autofocus was much, much slower than the X1...but seriously [...] . LOL! Most excellent visual there. One could wait to doomsday for an M8 to auto-focus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted April 19, 2011 Share #14 Posted April 19, 2011 Focussing using the focussing ring on a real lens is magnitudes faster than using a thumbwheel control. This is why autofocus isn't needed on an M camera - even when not using hyperfocal techniques - and why the M8 or M9 would suit the OP better than an X1, if he considers the autofocus too slow. But if it makes you feel better to call him a troll... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buranca Posted April 19, 2011 Share #15 Posted April 19, 2011 I am on the fence, an invisible fence as I have shot neither the M8 nor the X1... but I am considering the purchase of one or the other -not both. My M6 is out for a CLA and my 50 LUX is lonely. With the price difference between the X1 and the M8 so close, I am leaning to the M8. However, the M8 seems to be a bit of a compromised piece from my readings here and elsewhere. While the M8 would seem to be the logical step for me (and perhaps the OP) -the X1 after the 2.0 FW update seems to really be singing right now. Granted, the OP has done the update and is still not happy... Not sure where I am headed with this except that I am looking forward to reading more about his decision process as I go through my own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted April 19, 2011 Share #16 Posted April 19, 2011 I use both...and every time I think I'm going to get rid of the X1, I end up using it and getting great photos. I feel great about the M8 as well. It's nice to have both. If I was only going to have one, it would be the M8. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted April 19, 2011 Share #17 Posted April 19, 2011 After yet another outing with my X1 when I missed several shots due to the slow autofocus, ............ Is it just me or are others also giving up?Ludders Just you I think! Have you tried MF? If you use AF, have you taken it off full auto too, I find its quicker using manual settings and single point AF. Its never going to beat an slr at focusing though. But I'm not sure if an M8 will give you faster focus speeds, theres a bit more work to do before you press the shutter! Allan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted April 19, 2011 Share #18 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Me, I find manual RF focusing more precise. That's not the same as fast, but once you have the focus approximately right you can tweak it and shoot fast -- you don't have to wait a few aeons for AF. And you know exactly what you are focusing on. AF is hit and miss. (I haven't tried MF with the X1, it looks too fiddly, and seeing the LCD in bright light can be impossible. Touchscreen would be worse.) I know there are lots of beautiful pics taken with the X1 in perfect focus (not sure how many were thrown away because of bad focus) -- so I'd like to stress a lot depends on the individual and what works best for you. I am just not so good with AF, and am far more used to RF -- which of course has its limitations, too. Make no mistake, the X1 is a beautiful camera. I may try to download new firmware for the X1, but like the OP I am considering trading, for an M9. For a lot of reasons, not just focus. Edited April 19, 2011 by NZDavid Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosecpf Posted April 20, 2011 Share #19 Posted April 20, 2011 Been there, done that. Sold my X1 and got a M8u. At the time, the Firmware 2.0 was not released yet so the camera was just a pain to use for street photography. Now, with the new firmware, it seems that manual focus is not a problem anymore... so if it was today, probably I would still own the X1. Putting that aside, I am very happy with the M8u. For low ISO pics, there is no comparison in IQ between it and the X1... The M8 is way better. jaw dropping actually... but for high ISO, the opposite is also true, even though the X1 miss the M8 image crispness. Whichever camera you end up getting, I think you cant go wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted April 20, 2011 Share #20 Posted April 20, 2011 Hi all, well I have to say that on my travels in europe (as I write) the X1 has performed beautifully. I have not experiences any lag issues, my only issue is with using multifocus points & moving objects/people that stray into the pic.. it puts the whole image out of focus..single point is fine.. The batteries (both Leica) with the monitor on & reviewing images seem to get down to the last power segment after about 50-75 shots.. Image definition & quality are outstanding..Ima" happy X1 owner.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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