glenerrolrd Posted September 19, 2012 Share #1 Posted September 19, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) When I review the new specifications ...three key areas jump out as improvements (at least ones that I was looking for ) . 1. Improved AF ...primarily the ability to use continuous focus that works . 2. Larger buffer ....this is a key complaint of fashion photographers ...as a full buffer kills the flow of their shooting . 3. Stronger high ISO performance up in the ISO 1600 range . These are all important and frequently requested upgrades . But the effectiveness will be in the details . Did they change the sensor ? they state its a low noise CCD . Is the AF still a large spot without options ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Hi glenerrolrd, Take a look here The NEW S. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andybarton Posted September 19, 2012 Share #2 Posted September 19, 2012 They definitely did not change the sensor. They did change other chippy bits and firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted September 19, 2012 Share #3 Posted September 19, 2012 I would guess that given the very low level of improvements over the S2, the S2 at current market value is a real steal. Wonder if it will stay that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 19, 2012 Share #4 Posted September 19, 2012 Perhaps they will provide an upgrade program for current S2 users? buffer upgrade and firmware update should be on the easy side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 19, 2012 Share #5 Posted September 19, 2012 Not so fast... Almost the entire body is different so chances are most of the guts are too (except the sensor). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted September 19, 2012 Share #6 Posted September 19, 2012 I didn't realize that the body was vastly different. That would certainly change the pricing dynamics particularly if the S is sleeker, lighter and more portable. Oh well, time to wait for Dave Farkas' report from Photokina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted September 20, 2012 Share #7 Posted September 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I didn't realize that the body was vastly different. That would certainly change the pricing dynamics particularly if the S is sleeker, lighter and more portable. Oh well, time to wait for Dave Farkas' report from Photokina. I've got a lot of the answers to these questions in my upcoming post of Day 2. Stay tuned (although USA people might have to wait until morning). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 21, 2012 Share #8 Posted September 21, 2012 Perhaps they will provide an upgrade program for current S2 users? buffer upgrade and firmware update should be on the easy side. The sensor board has changed, the main board has changed, the body, the display, and the controls have changed as well – virtually everything except the sensor and the CPU has changed. Any upgrade would amount to replacing everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 21, 2012 Share #9 Posted September 21, 2012 The sensor board has changed, the main board has changed, the body, the display, and the controls have changed as well – virtually everything except the sensor and the CPU has changed. Any upgrade would amount to replacing everything. Thanks for the update, Michael ... in your opinion, what's the most significant improvement over the previous model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Rains Posted September 21, 2012 Share #10 Posted September 21, 2012 Apparently there were 80 changes listed at the dealers briefing. I wasn't there for the briefing not being a dealer but I spent an hour yesterday going through all the menus and options. I also had an interview with Stephan Schulz who explained some of the features to me. The sensor is the same but the base ISO has been reduced to 100 so that a little more DR can be squeezed out, and lower noise too. Same sensor, but fine tuned to give better results. Not sure how much DR has been added as the firmware is not finalised yet and we were not allowed to shoot test images. I like the GPS feature - there is a bump on the top plate to the left of the prism which houses a GPS receiver, very useful for my travel work but less so for, say, fashion photographers. There is a horizon display too - showing level and tilt. You can assign this to a custom button for quick access. Other changes: New menu layout 100% preview, not an arbitrary magnification. New Hi res LCD on rear. Images look way crisper now and sharpness can be judged much more accurately. New joystick navigation button on the rear - no more awkward magnified image navigation. Current settings display on the back on first button press - shows current settings like aperture, iso, shutter speed etc. Grey card mode for custom white balance. Engraved shutter dial replacing the embossed one. And more.... One gripe - the long exposure feature is unchanged. Max 120 seconds at 100iso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 21, 2012 Share #11 Posted September 21, 2012 Thanks for the update, Michael ... in your opinion, what's the most significant improvement over the previous model? The larger buffer (2 GB rather than the S2’s 1 GB), I guess. And the improved AF of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboudd Posted September 22, 2012 Share #12 Posted September 22, 2012 While I appreciate the enhancements, especially the larger buffer, high rez LCD, joystick and level indicators, I don't know that the changes are so compelling that I would want to take a huge hit on my S2-P. I have watched prices soften quite a bit in anticipation of the new S with some bodies going for as little as half their original pricing, no matter how low the use. I also doubt that Leica will have a trade in program like the one for the CS lenses, although that would drastically change the equation for me if it were of reasonable value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingo Posted September 26, 2012 Share #13 Posted September 26, 2012 I certainly trust there are many more firmware updates to the S2. There are a number of improvements I'd like to see, including: (a) ability to capture multiple exposures to one image; ( process DNG files to JPG in camera (the JPG engine is already there); © some file management ability in camera -- control creation of directories/folders below DCIM; and (d) ... well, they are the main ones. I'm also wondering why Leica have stopped Novoflex from releasing an adapter from the S2 body to the Novoflex bellows system. This one is extremely annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted October 7, 2012 Share #14 Posted October 7, 2012 Mention has been made that the S body is physically different from the S2. Upon review, I see that the GPS dome is the only true physical change and that the ports and actual length, width and height are unchanged. Am I missing something here? Albert :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 8, 2012 Share #15 Posted October 8, 2012 Once I know the degree of improvement in S performance ... (ISO 800 and 1600, better AF, any improvements in speed of operation), I intend on centering most of my gear on Leica products ... M and S. The nature of my work requires immediate back-up and redundant gear, so I will retain my current M9P and S2 ... so, second hand pricing is not an issue. All but a few of my 35mm DSLR pieces will go bye-bye, and it is likely that much of my Hasselblad H gear will also go. For me Leica has nailed it. -Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted October 10, 2012 Share #16 Posted October 10, 2012 Mention has been made that the S body is physically different from the S2. Upon review, I see that the GPS dome is the only true physical change and that the ports and actual length, width and height are unchanged.Am I missing something here? yes, probably. There are other knobs and functions, and the glass on the new monitor ist different as well. I also heard that the new S come with a 3 year warranty, this would mean that the S2-P package is included. As far as I understand it. All this make the new S a price-drop of about 3-4 tsd $ compared to the S2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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