UVa Filter E43 for Summarit

[jc_braconi]

Hello,
I just found this filter, complete with box and keeper, as you know Summarit 1.5/50 are E41, this let may thinking of the first Summilux(es) 1.4/50 which are E43 and were first called Summarit(s)
note the double engraving E. Leitz N Y SL and GERMANY
(the diameter is exactly E43)
comments welcome
Cheers
JC

[tummydoc]

XOOYL is listed as an E41 filter in the Hove accessory pamphlet. In the Hove lens pamphlet the Summarit is listed as accepting an "E41 or slip-on 43mm" filter.

[jc_braconi]

You can see on the box the picture illustrate shows a threaded filter
James Lager book II : Lenses depict on page 235 a Summarit 5cm 1.4:50 which is a prototype Summilux
Cheers
JC

[luigi bertolotti]

Thanks for sharing, JC, ... even in small accessories one can find rare and unusual items... the engraving is intriguing, and for the diameter... who knows ? One can speculate something about the first batches of Summiluxes or "Summarits 1,4"... with the regular E43 UV filter not yet in production...
I have a XOOYL, with its box, but it's a standard E41, and my E43 UV for Summilux is completely different from the item you post : chrome mount is thinner, and with the standard engraving (and had a different code, of course, 13206 or YMZOO if I remember right)

[Ivar B]

These filters are nice, but for a user they often leave something to be desired. New filters often have much better coating.

Regarding 43mm filters, you need Leica as all other filters I have seen are too thick and one cannot mount the hood with the filter in place. The solution has been to remove the glass from the Leica mount (easy), cut open the rim of a modern filter like B + W MRC, and mount the glass back in the Leica mount. This gives you a "modern" filter but with the classic Leica look.

[tummydoc]

Originally Posted by jc_braconi

You can see on the box the picture illustrate shows a threaded filter

Actually the picture doesn't show all that clearly that the filter has threads. Neither do female threads on the out-side rear preclude the inside-rear from slipping on over the front-piece of a Summarit.

However the filter is an EL NY and could well have been a small run contracted by them for a specific purpose, such as fitting to early Summilux lenses prior to production of the Leitz filters which permit fitting of the hood. It is highly doubtful that EL NY issued filters for a hand-ful of prototype lenses.

[jc_braconi]

Originally Posted by Ivar B

These filters are nice, but for a user they often leave something to be desired. New filters often have much better coating.

Regarding 43mm filters, you need Leica as all other filters I have seen are too thick and one cannot mount the hood with the filter in place. The solution has been to remove the glass from the Leica mount (easy), cut open the rim of a modern filter like B + W MRC, and mount the glass back in the Leica mount. This gives you a "modern" filter but with the classic Leica look.

I do not use this filter for taking picture,(I am collecting for 42 year), this filter thread on the Summilux 1.4:50 and the original hood slip on to the groove easily.

[jc_braconi]

Originally Posted by tummydoc

Actually the picture doesn't show all that clearly that the filter has threads. Neither do female threads on the out-side rear preclude the inside-rear from slipping on over the front-piece of a Summarit.

However the filter is an EL NY and could well have been a small run contracted by them for a specific purpose, such as fitting to early Summilux lenses prior to production of the Leitz filters which permit fitting of the hood. It is highly doubtful that EL NY issued filters for a hand-ful of prototype lenses.

May be you can see from l to r the differences between a slip-on #1 and a threaded one E41 #2 on this picts.
#3 is the E43 for Summarit (little steped)and #4 is the E43 for the Summilux.
Thanks for the interest.

[doubice]

Actually, between the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's and probably even later, Leitz Wetzlar never made Skylight filters. All Skylight filters I have ever seen came from Leitz New York and were marked as such. Most were in mounts supplied by Wetzlar, which explains the 'Germany' engraving.

Best,

Jan

[tummydoc]

Originally Posted by jc_braconi

#3 is the E43 for Summarit (little steped)

However #3 (starting from left) lens in your photo appears to be a Taylor, Taylor & Hobson Xenon rather than a Summarit, and that Xenon uses a 40.5mm filter, not a 43mm.

[doubice]

Originally Posted by tummydoc

However #3 (starting from left) lens in your photo appears to be a Taylor, Taylor & Hobson Xenon rather than a Summarit, and that Xenon uses a 40.5mm filter, not a 43mm.

Vinay,

I would have assumed that a person of your stature and immense knowledge would be aware of the fact that the Summarit 1.5/50mm was also available with the Taylor & Hobson engraving....

Best,

Jan

[jc_braconi]

Originally Posted by tummydoc

However #3 (starting from left) lens in your photo appears to be a Taylor, Taylor & Hobson Xenon rather than a Summarit, and that Xenon uses a 40.5mm filter, not a 43mm.

This a Summarit Taylor, Taylor & Hobson, Sir, not a Xenon.

[luigi bertolotti]

Originally Posted by jc_braconi

This a Summarit Taylor, Taylor & Hobson, Sir, not a Xenon.

And I have one like this, too ! for the record, it's 822.174, scale in feet as is (I suppose) for all the "Taylor & Hobson" Summarits...

[tummydoc]

Some very early Summarits had the Taylor #. At the time, whilst the British patent had expired the US Patent had not yet. These and the late Xenons are almost identical, and even harder to differentiate if the clarity of the photo leaves something to be desired as in this case. Aside from the obvious ring marking which is obliterated in this photo, the aperture scale isn't visible either. That, and to add even more confusion I've seen many examples of Frankenstein cobbling-together of these two series. My Xenon and Summarit are more easily distinguished because my (one and only) Summarit is a Canadian. I have a more extensive array of Summicrons, including a Summitar* (early Cron prototype), and Summiluxes. Lenses of lesser repute such as the Summar and Xenon/Summarit occupy less of my interest.

[jc_braconi]

Lenses of lesser repute such as the Summar and Xenon/Summarit occupy less of my interest.

Thank you Sir for your invaluable help in this post !
jc

[luigi bertolotti]

Originally Posted by tummydoc

. Lenses of lesser repute such as the Summar and Xenon/Summarit occupy less of my interest.

mmmhhh... I can understand, but anyway I sometime regret to have not a non rectractable Summar... years ago I passed away to buy a nice one for less then 400 Euros... now is hard to find at such a price...

[tummydoc]

Originally Posted by luigi bertolotti

years ago I passed away to buy a nice one

I call that being dead serious about Leica-collecting