bassin6969 Posted April 25, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) First, I would like to start by saying that I'm no expert in the world of Leica, and all of the information I'm presenting is based on research. I recently bought a FULDY focoslide that appeared to be missing parts. Upon further inspection, I'm positively sure it's complete...possibly very rare. Unlike all other FULDY attachments I've seen, this one has no H-clip, no I-clip, and the focusing magnifier rests in a half-circle metal frame instead of the typical bayonet style mount. It uses a threaded ring that mounts the camera body to the attachment...using a spanner key. The lens is mounted on the slide via threads as well. It is marked Leitz New York and was patented in 1935 by William Morgan. In the 1938 "Leica Manual", He describes this Type of FULDY in every detail. Also, I pulled up the patent drawings and verified that everything was identical. During my research, I came across a solitary photo that illustrated the above details, but the ground glass portion was entirely different...It was called a COPIN. It also stated that it's patent was pending, where as mine has the patent number listed. I'm going to be listing it for sale in the coming days, but I need to accurately describe what I have. It has it's original box, so I might be able to determine a precise date, based on the label design. If I did my research correctly, The FULDY was patented in 1935 and was the first focoslide to be manufactured by leica...as the product of extension tube research that was conducted by William Morgan. If this is accurate, I have deduced that my focoslide is the first original attachment, and all others that followed were brought into production to meet the needs of the photographer and the changes in camera design. I will post pictures if you would like to see them. Does anyone know anything about this? I could be looking at this completely wrong. Thank you for your valuable time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Hi bassin6969, Take a look here Type one FULDY???. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jc_braconi Posted April 25, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 25, 2011 Page 56 of the Leica Accessories book from Dennis Laney, available on Amazon, you will find exactly the FULDY you describe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) The FULDY is interesting for it was a significant accessory which had is birth OUTSIDE the Wetzlar factory: the Patent by Morgan was used by Leitz New York, which had the responsability to develop and manufacture the device : the "Wetzlar Version" (COPIN, as you said) was clearly submitted to another application for patent, which explains the "patent pending" writing you quote; probably, given the timings (COPIN was listed, from my sources, in 1939) there must have been some rather complex story behind this decision to develop and patent a very similar device in Wetzlar... 1939 is a date that immediately resembles the tragedy of WWII... can be that there had been a quick deterioration in USA-Germany commercial relations... the Leitz New York device was surely sold by Leitz agencies also in European couuntries... probably a little story that, if studied in detail, can be significant of what happened in the european industry when the world entered in the most drmatic period of the XX Century... Btw... Laney details that FULDY had two versions with the camera attached through the threaded ring you quote : 1930-32 and 1932-38, the last with a hole in the sliding plate, to allow the attachment of cameras with slow speeds dial : how is yours ? And... Welcome to the Forum , of course !!... Happens that your first post has received his first answer by the most distinct contributor of the Historical Section (and a Forum Moderator too), and a second by another frequent visitor of the same section... ; if you will continue to be present here, you'l see our names many other times... Edited April 25, 2011 by luigi bertolotti 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassin6969 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted April 26, 2011 Thank you both so much for taking the time to post your replies. It looks as though it's the 1932-1938 variant...as it has the cut taken out of the corner to make room for the slow speed timer. There doesn't seem to be very many of either style floating around...at least not on the internet. I will try to post pictures after work tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted April 28, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 28, 2011 May I join this discussion? I, too, have a vintage Focoslide that I somehow determined was a COPIN. But after reading the question and the answers from the most knowledgeable Leica experts I can imagine, I am quite sure I have a 1932-38 FULDY -- except for the fact that the logo on mine says “E.LEITZ NEW-YORK Pat.pending”. I’ve been waiting for bassin6969 to post pictures, but have given up and will post my photos. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFocoslide2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFocoslide1.jpg Also, I have a Focomount that I thought was a VXOOT, catalog number 16609, but the Leica Wicki says it is catalog number 16622. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFocomount1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFocomount2.jpg And an extension tube that has no marking -- I’m quite sure it isn’t a Leitz product. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFMExtTube.jpg Any thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassin6969 Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted April 28, 2011 Sorry it took me so long to get these up...I had to reduce their size. I'm not a photographer either, so keep that in mind. Would I have better luck selling this on Ebay, or on the classified section of the forum? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150076-type-one-fuldy/?do=findComment&comment=1658035'>More sharing options...
bassin6969 Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted April 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'll get this right one of these days. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150076-type-one-fuldy/?do=findComment&comment=1658042'>More sharing options...
bassin6969 Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted April 28, 2011 and another. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150076-type-one-fuldy/?do=findComment&comment=1658046'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 28, 2011 Share #9 Posted April 28, 2011 May I join this discussion? I, too, have a vintage Focoslide that I somehow determined was a COPIN. But after reading the question and the answers from the most knowledgeable Leica experts I can imagine, I am quite sure I have a 1932-38 FULDY -- except for the fact that the logo on mine says “E.LEITZ NEW-YORK Pat.pending”. I’ve been waiting for bassin6969 to post pictures, but have given up and will post my photos. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFocoslide2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/chandolin77/LLFocoslide1.jpg ..... Now that also bassin's item has been posted... I'd say that both are clearly FULDY, both of the 2nd version for "long times knob"... 1932-1938 ... Patent was awarded in 1935, so seem obvious that are of different ages within the above timeframe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted April 28, 2011 Share #10 Posted April 28, 2011 Grazie, Luigi -- What does "long times knob" mean? And do you know why the Focomount VXOOT seems to have two different numbers? The 16609 comes from my Leica Catalog No. 36, dated 1962 -- normally a great resource. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted April 28, 2011 Share #11 Posted April 28, 2011 and another. I sent you a PM Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted April 28, 2011 Share #12 Posted April 28, 2011 JC -- I assume the PM (private message????) was sent to bassin, as I did not receive one. Luigi -- It just hit me that "long times knob" must refer to the slow speed dial. Sorry for my denseness! But I am still confused about the different catalog numbers of the Focamount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 28, 2011 Share #13 Posted April 28, 2011 JC -- I assume the PM (private message????) was sent to bassin, as I did not receive one. Luigi -- It just hit me that "long times knob" must refer to the slow speed dial. Sorry for my denseness! But I am still confused about the different catalog numbers of the Focamount. ... yes... indeed "slow speeds" is better than "long times"... which is a bit too much a literal translation of "tempi lunghi" which is a typical italian term... About the 16609/16622 issue... Wiki section HAS some little errors (i found one time ago... don't know if there is a way to communicate this inside the Wiki section...), and this could be an example, maybe due to easy confusion between very similar codes... my 1961 catalog says VXOOT = 16609 D VTOOX = 16622 R, whilst Wiki (codes section) says 16622 for both... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted April 29, 2011 Share #14 Posted April 29, 2011 ... yes... indeed "slow speeds" is better than "long times"... which is a bit too much a literal translation of "tempi lunghi" which is a typical italian term... About the 16609/16622 issue... Wiki section HAS some little errors (i found one time ago... don't know if there is a way to communicate this inside the Wiki section...), and this could be an example, maybe due to easy confusion between very similar codes... my 1961 catalog says VXOOT = 16609 D VTOOX = 16622 R, whilst Wiki (codes section) says 16622 for both... Luigi, is very easy to edit the posts inside the Wiki, just register, next edit, see preview, if it is correct save it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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