aesop Posted December 17, 2007 Share #1 Posted December 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) First post - assistance required for delayed action M photography. I need some input from someone who has actually seen or used the APDOO/OTZNO combination with a post-M6 Leica film camera. ***Specifically, how are the APDOO and OTZNO units coupled together?*** Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Philippe D. Posted December 17, 2007 Share #2 Posted December 17, 2007 Hi, I need some input from someone who has actually seen or used the APDOO/OTZNO combination with a post-M6 Leica film camera. ***Specifically, how are the APDOO and OTZNO units coupled together?*** You mean OZTNO/14088, the small clock adapter. It is quite easy to use. Just screw the adapter on the delayed action release, and screw then on the M6 release. Where is the problem ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted December 17, 2007 Hi,You mean OZTNO/14088, the small clock adapter. It is quite easy to use. Just screw the adapter on the delayed action release, and screw then on the M6 release. Where is the problem ? Thanks, Philippe, but I am still confused:( . My understanding of the APDOO and OTZNO units is as follows - please correct me if you think I am wrong: 1) Both APDOO and OTZNO units have one set of threads, either male or female; 2) The Leitz shutter release adaptor unit (OTZNO) has a male thread and this easily attaches to the camera's shutter release button's female thread. 3) The Leitz self-timer unit (APDOO) has only a female thread. 4) I see no apparent method of coupling the APDOO to the OTZNO. I have attached images of both the APDOO and OTZNO units. Perhaps I am missing something . Look forward to any further input. Thanks. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/40494-apdoootzno-blues-help/?do=findComment&comment=429133'>More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted December 17, 2007 Share #4 Posted December 17, 2007 My understanding of the APDOO and OTZNO units is as follows - please correct me if you think I am wrong OZTNO is the right code name. Here a picture of this combination on a M2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If you don't have one at hand, it's difficult to figure out, but as soon as you can handle it, it's easy as drinking beer ! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If you don't have one at hand, it's difficult to figure out, but as soon as you can handle it, it's easy as drinking beer ! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/40494-apdoootzno-blues-help/?do=findComment&comment=429158'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 17, 2007 Share #5 Posted December 17, 2007 I haven't the OZTNO, but have the APDOO... fwik, the internal thread of the APDOO is used only to screw it on the LTMs release button, after you have unscrewed its collar; I think that when one mounts APDOO over the OZTNO (screwed on a M release button) it's simply "pushed over and into". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted December 17, 2007 Share #6 Posted December 17, 2007 Hi Luigi, the internal thread of the APDOO is used only to screw it on the LTMs release button, after you have unscrewed its collar You don't even have to unscrew the collar on Leica older than IIIb (so on IIIc and up) to use the "bell" release cable (or the APDOO). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 17, 2007 Share #7 Posted December 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Luigi,You don't even have to unscrew the collar on Leica older than IIIb (so on IIIc and up) to use the "bell" release cable (or the APDOO). Always precise eh, Philippe... but I have only 1 IIIc & 1 IIIf.... btw, I have also the DIREKT, really very very old... you surely know what hell it is... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share #8 Posted December 17, 2007 Always precise eh, Philippe... but I have only 1 IIIc & 1 IIIf.... btw, I have also the DIREKT, really very very old... you surely know what hell it is... Super stuff, Philippe and Luigi - you have both been very helpful. The APDOO is currently on its way to me (I already have the OZTNO), and I look forward to carrying out your instructions upon its arrival. Sounds like I will be included in my Christmas shots this year, and here's to many more self-portraits thereafter. Again, thanks for your support. Sota, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 17, 2007 Share #9 Posted December 17, 2007 Super stuff, Philippe and Luigi - you have both been very helpful. The APDOO is currently on its way to me (I already have the OZTNO), and I look forward to carrying out your instructions upon its arrival. Sounds like I will be included in my Christmas shots this year, and here's to many more self-portraits thereafter. Again, thanks for your support. Sota, Sota, when you'll have your APDOO, do not forget that the little dented collar acts to "fine tune" the position of the moving part that effectively "presses" the button... you have to make some trial befor finding the correct position... and ... I hope your APDOO is complete with its little fine APOOM leather case... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted December 17, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted December 17, 2007 Sota, when you'll have your APDOO, do not forget that the little dented collar acts to "fine tune" the position of the moving part that effectively "presses" the button... you have to make some trial befor finding the correct position... and ... I hope your APDOO is complete with its little fine APOOM leather case... Luigi, thanks for the APDOO fine-tuning information. The APDOO was advertised as "excellent ++", in its original Leitz box, but there was no mention of the APOOM leather case. I will wait until I take receipt of the APDOO - who knows, I might not have to go APOOM-hunting. One last thing re: fine-tuning. Could you please clarify exactly what you mean by "the little dented collar". Are you referring to the knurled ring on the bottom part of the APDOO that comes into contact with the OZTNO? Sota . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 18, 2007 Share #11 Posted December 18, 2007 Luigi, thanks for the APDOO fine-tuning information. The APDOO was advertised as "excellent ++", in its original Leitz box, but there was no mention of the APOOM leather case. I will wait until I take receipt of the APDOO - who knows, I might not have to go APOOM-hunting. One last thing re: fine-tuning. Could you please clarify exactly what you mean by "the little dented collar". Are you referring to the knurled ring on the bottom part of the APDOO that comes into contact with the OZTNO? Sota . Yes, exactly... at the moment I wrote I couldn't remind the term "knurled"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted December 18, 2007 Share #12 Posted December 18, 2007 Bongiorno Luigi, do not forget that the little dented collar acts to "fine tune" the position of the moving part that effectively "presses" the button... you have to make some trial befor finding the correct position.I'm sorry to contradict you, but i don't think this is the best way to adjust the fine tuning of APDOO, then, by turning the collar you also separate it from the body shutter. It should be fixed strongly.Actually, it is mean of a little screw situated inside (see from the bottom). You may screw or unscrew little by little to have the right length course for your camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted December 31, 2007 Sota, when you'll have your APDOO, do not forget that the little dented collar acts to "fine tune" the position of the moving part that effectively "presses" the button... you have to make some trial befor finding the correct position... and ... I hope your APDOO is complete with its little fine APOOM leather case... Luigi & Philippe, Good news - I have received the APDOO and can report that it attaches very easily to the OZTNO. This coupling is done by engaging the male thread on the central column in the top half of the OZTNO to the female thread of the APDOO . Note that the male thread on the central column in the top half of the OZTNO cannot be seen when the OZTNO is casually inspected. I discovered it by pure chance after thoroughly digesting Luigi's information. And now the bad news - I have so far been very unsuccessful in calibrating the APDOO so that it releases the M shutter. Adjusting the screw situated at the bottom of the APDOO to the required length appears to be a very delicate operation which calls for infinite patience. I will need to set some time aside to tackle it - if you have any additional helpful information regarding the setting up process please advise accordingly . Luigi, the APDOO came in a beautiful red Leitz box so I did not get the APOOM . Thanks. Sota. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miers Posted August 27, 2008 Share #14 Posted August 27, 2008 I have the same problem with adjusting the depth of the setting by means of the tiny inner screw.I have spent some time on it but without success.Might the spring be weak or broken?Both the APDOO and the OZTNO work well separetly. But will not release the shutter when set up together. Any suggestions would be appreciateded.I should add that my camera is a newish MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share #15 Posted August 27, 2008 Miers, your first task is to ascertain that both APDOO and OZTNO are fully functional. Setting up is a one-off operation that requires the patient, gradual adjustment of the screw at the bottom of the APDOO, until you locate a sweet spot that triggers the shutter. There may be other ways of setting up, but I had no manual and just very basic instructions. Patience is the key. Set some time aside and if you can, avoid any interruptions. I managed to get mine done after two separate 30-minute sessions. It should not have taken so long, but I got impatient and did not maintain strict adherence to the process. Adjustments to the screw should be done in small steps - I recommend 90˚ turns. After each adjustment, set up the combo and see if it fires. Etc., etc. At some point in the process, you will enter the sweet zone, within which the shutter will be fired by the combo. Once you are in the sweet zone, switch to 45˚ turns and continue tweaking until you are happy with your sweet spot. One more thing - for a particular combo, the sweet spot set-up for camera X is not necessarily the sweet spot set-up for camera Y. I noticed my set-up worked for my two MPs but not for my M6. Well, there you go - let us know how you get on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted August 27, 2008 Share #16 Posted August 27, 2008 One more thing - for a particular combo, the sweet spot set-up for camera X is not necessarily the sweet spot set-up for camera Y. I noticed my set-up worked for my two MPs but not for my M6.Exactly. I use this combination with one MP but it doesn't work on the other. I have not yet fiddled enough to see if I can get it to work on both. Kind of a Heath Robinson thing but very effective! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miers Posted August 28, 2008 Share #17 Posted August 28, 2008 Thank you for your detailed and helpful advice.I am delighted to say I followed your advice and...it worked.! Marvelous!What a splendid little whizz bang! I have to fione tune a little yet I think but at least I know that everything is fully functional. The finish on the Apdoo is very fine and matches my black MP beautifully.When this precision item is whizzing away it affirms the satisfaction of using finely made mechanical instruments. Thank you again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share #18 Posted August 28, 2008 ...glad to hear all is well, Miers. Now go and use that MP like it was designed to be used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodrigov Posted January 23, 2009 Share #19 Posted January 23, 2009 Hi, i've a Leica Direkt Self timer, but it's not working, does anyone knows how i disassemble it to lubricate? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share #20 Posted March 30, 2009 Hi, i've a Leica Direkt Self timer, but it's not working, does anyone knows how i disassemble it to lubricate? thanks ...bump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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