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I simply cannot afford a Noctilux. It is it like a years worth of food for this retired bloke.

 

BUT I do have a Canon S with their 50mm f/.95 lens and an other 50mm f/.95 lens adapted to the Leica M (which I will use on the M9) (and another I butchered trying a conversion but that's going into the bin) . Ahhhh - a challenge.

 

But what we really need is a side-by-side comparison. Anyone in Minnesota, Iowa or Wisconsin own a Noctilux f/.95? I don't mind being humbled. I just want the truth.

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pico, have you had a look see at the Cosina Voitlander

Nokton 50mm f/ 1.1 from Camera Quest. Tom Abrahamsson

liked it better than the Noctilux and has comparison shots

on flikr.

Steve Huff did a side by side comparison and the Nokton

was better than the Noctilux in every way except for Bokeh,

at least that is how his comparison appeared to me.

 

Camera Quest also thinks the Canon isn't very good.

I saw a Canon on eBay with an M mount for something

like 3K. Have you entertained selling the Canon and

getting a C/V or a used Nokti?

 

I have a Nocti f/0.95 on order. By the time its available

I might be able to afford it. If I end up not loving it, I

shouldn't have any trouble selling it.

 

Please keep us posted on your Canon and any thoughts

you have.

 

Thanks!

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pico, have you had a look see at the Cosina Voitlander

Nokton 50mm f/ 1.1 from Camera Quest. Tom Abrahamsson

liked it better than the Noctilux and has comparison shots

on flikr.

Steve Huff did a side by side comparison and the Nokton

was better than the Noctilux in every way except for Bokeh,

at least that is how his comparison appeared to me.

 

I suspect all those were comparisons with the old f1 Noctilux - a very different beast to the current f0.95.

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Keerist! If I just get it to focus on the M9 I'll be half-way to heaven.

 

Have you seen my pictures from the Voigtlander 25mm F/.95 posted earlier? I'd like to see Noctilux do the same hand-held, max aperture, minimum focusing distance (which is impossible with the Noctilux because the Voigtlander focuses to about 6")

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http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1852626-post9.html

 

75mm Voigtlander f/.95 shot at minimum focus at f/.95. It's a 4/3 format.

 

Wow, at first, I thought:

 

75mm Voigtlander f/.95
WTF:confused:

 

Then I thought:

 

It's a 4/3 format.
not WTF anymore, but WTF!

 

Then I saw the linked post and lost interest (per µ4/3 only of course).

 

Just dreaming - wouldn't it be interesting, to see and try a 75, faster than ƒ1.4?

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Links please

Sorry, heres a few links you may find interesting.

 

Digital Hapeman

 

Super Nokton - - a set on Flickr

 

The Noctilux 0.95 is in the house!! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

 

The Leica Noctilux 0.95 Lens Review | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

 

Leica Noctilux F1 vs Nokton 1.1 | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

 

Could't find the link I thought was the most telling.

If (when) I find it, I'll post at that time, if this thread is still alive.

 

The Voigtlander Nokton 50 1.1 Review | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

 

Voigtlander 50/1.1 Nokton

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Thanks Billib - I've yet to see anything that points toward a review rating the Nokton more highly than the 0.95 (which you originally said), so if you do find the ones you were thinking of please do post - I'm sure we'd all like to see a £1000 lens outperform one costing 7x the price :D

 

Well, unless you're someone who bought the 0.95 I guess......

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If miffed I couldn't find the article I had referred to.

I did state (MY opinion) that the Voitlander was

shaper the than the Nocti. Actually I think I stated

the C/V was better in every way except Bokeh.

 

Again, this is my opinion formed by the information

I've read in several articles. I think I've mentioned

that I have the f/,95 on order. Well, if the C/V is

superior to the Nocti in every way then why do I

have the Nocti on order?

 

Well, the first and most important reason is, I can

at this time afford it without taking food off the table

and secondly, The superior sharpness of the C/V

is slight and you must pixel peek to see it. Since the

Bokeh is wonderful at wide apertures all of the time

instead of just most of the time like the C/V "I feel"

that makes the Nocti a more well rounded lens.

 

So, since I can afford it and its more well rounded

it gets the nod. Icing on the cake is should I sell

it at some point it should bring minimal loss of value

so it could almost be considered an investment.

Would you buy and drive a Ferrari if you could sell

it for minimal loss or possibly turn a profit. Thats

just a no brainer for me.

 

Now, if I couldn't afford the Nocti or if I didn't want

to drop 10K on a Nocti then I would buy the C/V

without hesitation and not feel as though I settled.

The C/V appears to do so many things so well, I

could own it and not lose a second of sleep.

 

I'll keep an eye out for that comparison article.

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Wow, at first, I thought:

 

WTF:confused:

 

Then I thought:

 

not WTF anymore, but WTF!

 

Then I saw the linked post and lost interest (per µ4/3 only of course).

 

Just dreaming - wouldn't it be interesting, to see and try a 75, faster than ƒ1.4?

 

Correction! 25mm F/.95. Very sorry for the error.

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If miffed I couldn't find the article I had referred to.

I did state (MY opinion) that the Voitlander was

shaper the than the Nocti. Actually I think I stated

the C/V was better in every way except Bokeh.

 

I'll keep an eye out for that comparison article.

Found the FAST FIFTY COMPARISON:

M9-50mm-Comparison | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

 

Heres two more interesting links:

Digital Hapeman

 

Digital Hapeman

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I'd agree with Billib, the CV Nokton achieves something that is very very close to a Noctilux. I felt the bokeh was more contrasty, so appears harsher unless you adjust it in normal post processing, but otherwise unless there is something truly groundbreaking that needs a Noctilux for the final 0.9% of an image a Nokton will suffice.

 

I sold mine based purely on usage. I got fed up having fun playing around with pointless photographs of bokeh rather than following a serious plan to use the lens for low light work, which like the Noctlix it is able to do, but in real world use is very limited at doing, since you need light to gain the critical focus it needs. An f/1.4 is the limit in my opinion for low light work and getting critical focus (since there is some tiny amount of DOF to compensate). Unless that is the aim is for some vacuous images of bokeh against a stalk of grass or a receeding series of fenceposts and where f/0.95 (or f/1.1) is essential :rolleyes:

 

Steve

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I'm not saying I prefer my Nokton to the new Noctilux, but I am very happy with it for the $800 I paid. While I think the bokeh is horribly distracting in some situations, I don't use the lens often enough to really be too concerned (using it only at 1.1 and 1.4 for night shooting). Like Rich said, Sean Red has a very good comparison of the three lenses, helping me conclude that I'm happy with the Nokton until I can afford the new Noctilux. Sorry to go off topic from Pico's original post

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Some more fuel for the fire...

 

Review of the 50mm f/1.1 Nokton

Lens Shoot-out (50mm)

 

The Nokton compares most obviously to the old (f/1) Noctilux, and not the f/0.95 ASPH which is a different league altogether. It's a decent lens, especially stopped down. It doesn't quite have the same [bokeh] mojo as the Noctilux wide open though it's slightly sharper on center. It also has some slight focus shift stopped down a little. I prefer to shoot mine at f/1.4 most of the time unless I need the speed.

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