pico Posted October 6, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 6, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I simply cannot afford a Noctilux. It is it like a years worth of food for this retired bloke. BUT I do have a Canon S with their 50mm f/.95 lens and an other 50mm f/.95 lens adapted to the Leica M (which I will use on the M9) (and another I butchered trying a conversion but that's going into the bin) . Ahhhh - a challenge. But what we really need is a side-by-side comparison. Anyone in Minnesota, Iowa or Wisconsin own a Noctilux f/.95? I don't mind being humbled. I just want the truth. -- Pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billib Posted October 9, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2011 pico, have you had a look see at the Cosina Voitlander Nokton 50mm f/ 1.1 from Camera Quest. Tom Abrahamsson liked it better than the Noctilux and has comparison shots on flikr. Steve Huff did a side by side comparison and the Nokton was better than the Noctilux in every way except for Bokeh, at least that is how his comparison appeared to me. Camera Quest also thinks the Canon isn't very good. I saw a Canon on eBay with an M mount for something like 3K. Have you entertained selling the Canon and getting a C/V or a used Nokti? I have a Nocti f/0.95 on order. By the time its available I might be able to afford it. If I end up not loving it, I shouldn't have any trouble selling it. Please keep us posted on your Canon and any thoughts you have. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted October 9, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 9, 2011 Noctilux is bokeh... all lenses are sharp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted October 10, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 10, 2011 pico, have you had a look see at the Cosina VoitlanderNokton 50mm f/ 1.1 from Camera Quest. Tom Abrahamsson liked it better than the Noctilux and has comparison shots on flikr. Steve Huff did a side by side comparison and the Nokton was better than the Noctilux in every way except for Bokeh, at least that is how his comparison appeared to me. I suspect all those were comparisons with the old f1 Noctilux - a very different beast to the current f0.95. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted October 10, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 10, 2011 No, both articles were comparing the new Nocti f/.95 with the new C/V though their are older articles comparing both previous versions to each other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted October 10, 2011 Keerist! If I just get it to focus on the M9 I'll be half-way to heaven. Have you seen my pictures from the Voigtlander 25mm F/.95 posted earlier? I'd like to see Noctilux do the same hand-held, max aperture, minimum focusing distance (which is impossible with the Noctilux because the Voigtlander focuses to about 6") Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted October 10, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) No, sorry. I must have missed the link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted October 11, 2011 No, sorry. I must have missed the link. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1852626-post9.html 75mm Voigtlander f/.95 shot at minimum focus at f/.95. It's a 4/3 format. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted October 11, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 11, 2011 Jeezus Christ. I thought the 6" was a mistake. Thats a stunning lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted October 11, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 11, 2011 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1852626-post9.html 75mm Voigtlander f/.95 shot at minimum focus at f/.95. It's a 4/3 format. Wow, at first, I thought: 75mm Voigtlander f/.95 WTF:confused: Then I thought: It's a 4/3 format. not WTF anymore, but WTF! Then I saw the linked post and lost interest (per µ4/3 only of course). Just dreaming - wouldn't it be interesting, to see and try a 75, faster than ƒ1.4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted October 12, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 12, 2011 No, both articles were comparing the new Nocti f/.95with the new C/V though Links please Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted October 12, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 12, 2011 Links please Sorry, heres a few links you may find interesting. Digital Hapeman Super Nokton - - a set on Flickr The Noctilux 0.95 is in the house!! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS The Leica Noctilux 0.95 Lens Review | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Leica Noctilux F1 vs Nokton 1.1 | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Could't find the link I thought was the most telling. If (when) I find it, I'll post at that time, if this thread is still alive. The Voigtlander Nokton 50 1.1 Review | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Voigtlander 50/1.1 Nokton 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted October 12, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 12, 2011 Thanks Billib - I've yet to see anything that points toward a review rating the Nokton more highly than the 0.95 (which you originally said), so if you do find the ones you were thinking of please do post - I'm sure we'd all like to see a £1000 lens outperform one costing 7x the price Well, unless you're someone who bought the 0.95 I guess...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted October 12, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2011 If miffed I couldn't find the article I had referred to. I did state (MY opinion) that the Voitlander was shaper the than the Nocti. Actually I think I stated the C/V was better in every way except Bokeh. Again, this is my opinion formed by the information I've read in several articles. I think I've mentioned that I have the f/,95 on order. Well, if the C/V is superior to the Nocti in every way then why do I have the Nocti on order? Well, the first and most important reason is, I can at this time afford it without taking food off the table and secondly, The superior sharpness of the C/V is slight and you must pixel peek to see it. Since the Bokeh is wonderful at wide apertures all of the time instead of just most of the time like the C/V "I feel" that makes the Nocti a more well rounded lens. So, since I can afford it and its more well rounded it gets the nod. Icing on the cake is should I sell it at some point it should bring minimal loss of value so it could almost be considered an investment. Would you buy and drive a Ferrari if you could sell it for minimal loss or possibly turn a profit. Thats just a no brainer for me. Now, if I couldn't afford the Nocti or if I didn't want to drop 10K on a Nocti then I would buy the C/V without hesitation and not feel as though I settled. The C/V appears to do so many things so well, I could own it and not lose a second of sleep. I'll keep an eye out for that comparison article. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted October 12, 2011 Wow, at first, I thought: WTF:confused: Then I thought: not WTF anymore, but WTF! Then I saw the linked post and lost interest (per µ4/3 only of course). Just dreaming - wouldn't it be interesting, to see and try a 75, faster than ƒ1.4? Correction! 25mm F/.95. Very sorry for the error. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted January 8, 2012 Share #16 Posted January 8, 2012 If miffed I couldn't find the article I had referred to.I did state (MY opinion) that the Voitlander was shaper the than the Nocti. Actually I think I stated the C/V was better in every way except Bokeh. I'll keep an eye out for that comparison article. Found the FAST FIFTY COMPARISON:M9-50mm-Comparison | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Heres two more interesting links: Digital Hapeman Digital Hapeman Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 8, 2012 Share #17 Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) I'd agree with Billib, the CV Nokton achieves something that is very very close to a Noctilux. I felt the bokeh was more contrasty, so appears harsher unless you adjust it in normal post processing, but otherwise unless there is something truly groundbreaking that needs a Noctilux for the final 0.9% of an image a Nokton will suffice. I sold mine based purely on usage. I got fed up having fun playing around with pointless photographs of bokeh rather than following a serious plan to use the lens for low light work, which like the Noctlix it is able to do, but in real world use is very limited at doing, since you need light to gain the critical focus it needs. An f/1.4 is the limit in my opinion for low light work and getting critical focus (since there is some tiny amount of DOF to compensate). Unless that is the aim is for some vacuous images of bokeh against a stalk of grass or a receeding series of fenceposts and where f/0.95 (or f/1.1) is essential Steve Edited January 8, 2012 by 250swb Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfx Posted January 8, 2012 Share #18 Posted January 8, 2012 Sean Reid has reviewed and compared the Noctilux .95, the Noctilux 1.0 and the CV Nokton 1.1 in his inimitable way. An excellent read. Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoshawnuff Posted January 8, 2012 Share #19 Posted January 8, 2012 I'm not saying I prefer my Nokton to the new Noctilux, but I am very happy with it for the $800 I paid. While I think the bokeh is horribly distracting in some situations, I don't use the lens often enough to really be too concerned (using it only at 1.1 and 1.4 for night shooting). Like Rich said, Sean Red has a very good comparison of the three lenses, helping me conclude that I'm happy with the Nokton until I can afford the new Noctilux. Sorry to go off topic from Pico's original post Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted January 9, 2012 Share #20 Posted January 9, 2012 Some more fuel for the fire... Review of the 50mm f/1.1 Nokton Lens Shoot-out (50mm) The Nokton compares most obviously to the old (f/1) Noctilux, and not the f/0.95 ASPH which is a different league altogether. It's a decent lens, especially stopped down. It doesn't quite have the same [bokeh] mojo as the Noctilux wide open though it's slightly sharper on center. It also has some slight focus shift stopped down a little. I prefer to shoot mine at f/1.4 most of the time unless I need the speed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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