johnbuckley Posted July 21, 2011 Share #1 Posted July 21, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Over the last few weeks, while on vacation out West, I found myself using the Nocti on my M9 almost exclusively (when not in pure landscape mode.) It inspired me to write the paean linked to below. I hope you like it. JB Tulip Frenzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted July 22, 2011 Share #2 Posted July 22, 2011 No other camera/lens combo in the world could have taken the last photo? The wine must have been really good out west, too. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted July 22, 2011 Jeff - thank you for the snarky response. I've edited the post to state that no other camera and lens combo "that I am aware of" could have captured that image, but I stand by the thrust of the comment. The photo was taken under a shed roof at twilight. It was quite dark. No wine was involved. Yes, a Nikon D3 shooting at ISO X000 or a high end Canon with a fast lens could have gotten a low light shot, but I doubt it could do so with, what is to to me, and I suspect other fans of the Noctilux, the pleasing bokeh that the Nocti produced while shooting at ISO 160. I'm posting the shot below, as others may or may not agree with either of us, and if they agree with you, I will have learned something. Cheers, JB Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/157518-my-love-letter-to-the-095-noctilux/?do=findComment&comment=1742275'>More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 22, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 22, 2011 I would love to use that lens. Think I will dream and save for a second hand 1.0 Lux. Nice shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 22, 2011 Share #5 Posted July 22, 2011 I'll leave you to love your lens, John. I just disagree, and only a blind testing would prove anything anyway. And for me, only the final print matters, not a screen shot, and not requirements about ISO, etc. Part of my reaction, long before your post, is that I find the whole bokeh frenzy somewhat faddish and tiring, especially when it seems to become the raison d'etre for a photograph. Not saying this is your approach, but I've seen it ad nauseam elsewhere. (And most of the examples I've seen elsewhere have disturbingly uneven focus on the main subject.) I can't recall ever looking at photograph that moved or delighted me, thinking something like "oh my, look at that bokeh." No snarkiness here...just my honest opinion. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted July 22, 2011 Jeff - I get it, and understand. We have a different aesthetic. I don't love bokeh-for-bokeh's sake. On the other hand, I recently saw a photograph in a magazine -- a portrait of Meryl Streep's actress daughter taken by a photographer named Bridget Lacombe -- and I said, "That could only have been taken with a Noctilux." And it turned out I was right! I do believe, as my Tulip Frenzy post explores, that there is something unique about the Nocti, and moreover, I find it incredibly pleasing. Cheers to you. JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted July 22, 2011 Share #7 Posted July 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Do 0.95 Nocti owners only use them on the M9 or is there a use for them on film M's? The most commonly professed reason for owning such a lens is it's capability to separate subject from background when used wide-open. Such usage is not confined to the 'black cat in a coal cellar' scenario but also in bright outdoor conditions. That is fine on an M9 with it's 1/4000th sec but film M's are limited to 1/1000th sec. What to do? Load up the lens with strong ND filter(s) (and risk image degradation)? Scour the shelves for some cassettes of ISO 25? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhrads Posted July 22, 2011 Share #8 Posted July 22, 2011 I use ND filter in Daylight on my 0.95 and it doesn't degrade the image, just want to use a quality filter, not some crap. B+W makes a nice one. I haven't used the nocti on my M7 yet though, only on the M9. I just got the M7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted July 22, 2011 Share #9 Posted July 22, 2011 Jeff - thank you for the snarky response. I've edited the post to state that no other camera and lens combo "that I am aware of" could have captured that image, but I stand by the thrust of the comment. The photo was taken under a shed roof at twilight. It was quite dark. No wine was involved. Yes, a Nikon D3 shooting at ISO X000 or a high end Canon with a fast lens could have gotten a low light shot, but I doubt it could do so with, what is to to me, and I suspect other fans of the Noctilux, the pleasing bokeh that the Nocti produced while shooting at ISO 160. I'm posting the shot below, as others may or may not agree with either of us, and if they agree with you, I will have learned something. Cheers, JB The pic is beautiful and with all due respect I couldn't care less about the lens it was taken with. No offence meant for anyone! The .95 might have helped for sure, at full aperture it renders a dreamy bokeh, but I'm deeply convinced that a PreAsph 'lux would have come quite close. A stop and a third close, to be more precise. Maybe the OOF would have been less creamy, but not by much. That's just me and my 2 €cents. Cheers, Bruno P.S. It might be opportune to admit that this evening I enjoyed at dinner an excellent Barbera made out of bio grape. Boy if it was good! Oh, and did I mention that I'm a PreAsph 'lux fan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted July 22, 2011 The pic is beautiful and with all due respect I couldn't care less about the lens it was taken with. No offence meant for anyone! The .95 might have helped for sure, at full aperture it renders a dreamy bokeh, but I'm deeply convinced that a PreAsph 'lux would have come quite close. A stop and a third close, to be more precise. Maybe the OOF would have been less creamy, but not by much. That's just me and my 2 €cents. Cheers, Bruno P.S. It might be opportune to admit that this evening I enjoyed at dinner an excellent Barbera made out of bio grape. Boy if it was good! Oh, and did I mention that I'm a PreAsph 'lux fan? Bruno - thanks, and I can tell that the Barbera has made your eyes even more acute ;-) In answer to Keith's question, I've used a Nocti on an M7 as well as on an M8 and M9. Having an ND filter really is important, if you are going to use one in daylight, especially if you can only go up to 1/1000th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 25, 2011 Share #11 Posted July 25, 2011 Just as a matter of interest, how do Nocti owners cope with having only 1/4000 as your fastest shutter speed? Even with ISO pulled to 80, I find that I have to stop down with my 50 Lux in daylight. I use a 0.9 ND filter with my 50 Lux (and the 28 Cron) when I want to stay wide open. When I finally track down the 35 Lux, I will use it with that as well. Do most Nocti users use ND filters so they can maintain apertures at 0.95? John, many of your pictures are in sunshine. Do you use ND filters? and if so, which? I remain on the fence over this lens. It's just too weird and too expensive, but then I have seen some very nice images (usually when the photographer is actually taking an interesting image, rather than trying to show off the lens - no, I'm not talking about you John). I've put my name down for one, on the understanding that I won't actually have to make a decision for another year or so. I like the 50 Lux, but I can see the appeal ... Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 25, 2011 Share #12 Posted July 25, 2011 Just as a matter of interest, how do Nocti owners cope with having only 1/4000 as your fastest shutter speed? Even with ISO pulled to 80, I find that I have to stop down with my 50 Lux in daylight. I use a 0.9 ND filter with my 50 Lux (and the 28 Cron) when I want to stay wide open. When I finally track down the 35 Lux, I will use it with that as well. Do most Nocti users use ND filters so they can maintain apertures at 0.95? John, many of your pictures are in sunshine. Do you use ND filters? and if so, which? I remain on the fence over this lens. It's just too weird and too expensive, but then I have seen some very nice images (usually when the photographer is actually taking an interesting image, rather than trying to show off the lens - no, I'm not talking about you John). I've put my name down for one, on the understanding that I won't actually have to make a decision for another year or so. I like the 50 Lux, but I can see the appeal ... Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 25, 2011 Share #13 Posted July 25, 2011 Just as a matter of interest, how do Nocti owners cope with having only 1/4000 as your fastest shutter speed? Even with ISO pulled to 80, I find that I have to stop down with my 50 Lux in daylight. I use a 0.9 ND filter with my 50 Lux (and the 28 Cron) when I want to stay wide open. When I finally track down the 35 Lux, I will use it with that as well. Do most Nocti users use ND filters so they can maintain apertures at 0.95? John, many of your pictures are in sunshine. Do you use ND filters? and if so, which? See posts # 7,8 and 10. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 25, 2011 Share #14 Posted July 25, 2011 Just as a matter of interest, how do Nocti owners cope with having only 1/4000 as your fastest shutter speed? Even with ISO pulled to 80, I find that I have to stop down with my 50 Lux in daylight. I use a 0.9 ND filter with my 50 Lux (and the 28 Cron) when I want to stay wide open. When I finally track down the 35 Lux, I will use it with that as well. Do most Nocti users use ND filters so they can maintain apertures at 0.95? John, many of your pictures are in sunshine. Do you use ND filters? and if so, which? See posts # 7,8 and 10. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 25, 2011 Share #15 Posted July 25, 2011 Thanks Jeff, well sort of. Post #7 uses the words ND filter, which doesn't really answer my question(s). Lawrence and John say they use them (which I missed, somehow - I think I left my browser open, then typed my post without seeing their) - but they don't actually say what strength, what make or much else about how often. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 25, 2011 Share #16 Posted July 25, 2011 Thanks Jeff, well sort of. Post #7 uses the words ND filter, which doesn't really answer my question(s). Lawrence and John say they use them (which I missed, somehow - I think I left my browser open, then typed my post without seeing their) - but they don't actually say what strength, what make or much else about how often. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted July 25, 2011 Share #17 Posted July 25, 2011 Thanks Jeff, well sort of. Post #7 uses the words ND filter, which doesn't really answer my question(s). Lawrence and John say they use them (which I missed, somehow - I think I left my browser open, then typed my post without seeing their) - but they don't actually say what strength, what make or much else about how often. Cheers John FWIW, I occasionally use a 4-stop B+W ND filter with the Nocti f/1 in normal-bright daylight. You may need a stronger filter in a particularly sunny environment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted July 25, 2011 Share #18 Posted July 25, 2011 Thanks Jeff, well sort of. Post #7 uses the words ND filter, which doesn't really answer my question(s). Lawrence and John say they use them (which I missed, somehow - I think I left my browser open, then typed my post without seeing their) - but they don't actually say what strength, what make or much else about how often. Cheers John FWIW, I occasionally use a 4-stop B+W ND filter with the Nocti f/1 in normal-bright daylight. You may need a stronger filter in a particularly sunny environment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 25, 2011 Share #19 Posted July 25, 2011 no other camera and lens combo "that I am aware of" could have captured that image, but I stand by the thrust of the comment. The photo was taken under a shed roof at twilight. It was quite dark. No wine was involved. Yes, a Nikon D3 shooting at ISO X000 or a high end Canon with a fast lens could have gotten a low light shot, but I doubt it could do so with, what is to to me, and I suspect other fans of the Noctilux, the pleasing bokeh that the Nocti produced while shooting at ISO 160. I'm posting the shot below, as others may or may not agree with either of us, and if they agree with you, I will have learned something. Cheers, JB I get it, I really do. For me to spend $11 grand on a 50mm lens I would have to convince myself it is absolutely essential for my photography. I'm still working on it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 25, 2011 Share #20 Posted July 25, 2011 no other camera and lens combo "that I am aware of" could have captured that image, but I stand by the thrust of the comment. The photo was taken under a shed roof at twilight. It was quite dark. No wine was involved. Yes, a Nikon D3 shooting at ISO X000 or a high end Canon with a fast lens could have gotten a low light shot, but I doubt it could do so with, what is to to me, and I suspect other fans of the Noctilux, the pleasing bokeh that the Nocti produced while shooting at ISO 160. I'm posting the shot below, as others may or may not agree with either of us, and if they agree with you, I will have learned something. Cheers, JB I get it, I really do. For me to spend $11 grand on a 50mm lens I would have to convince myself it is absolutely essential for my photography. I'm still working on it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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