ShyTot Posted October 12, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) see: Rangefinder Photography - Jeff Ascough's Blog He didn't seem to get on with it ...... at all. "... fatally flawed" he writes. Whilst his comments on rangefinders are balanced, references to the M8 are not, but take a look in case I'm wrong. Maybe, we're all wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 12, 2009 Posted October 12, 2009 Hi ShyTot, Take a look here Ascough on the M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
danyves Posted October 12, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 12, 2009 W're not wrong ! Do we need one more complete extract from review ? " Leica tried to address some of the M8 issues with the M8.2 and also offered to upgrade the original M8 for a price. I did have the romantic notion of using the M8 for weddings, but after testing it alongside my normal DSLR's on a couple of weddings, I found it was so fatally flawed in terms of design and image quality that it was useless for my wedding work." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted October 12, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 12, 2009 Maybe shoulld we send him this link http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/101027-m8-saves-wedding-ceremony-images.html as well as link to photographers sites using exclusively the Leica for their professonnal wedding work ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 12, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 12, 2009 Maybe shoulld we send him this link I think Ascough is experienced and successful enough that he can make his own mind up. He's perfectly entitled to be unimpressed by the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted October 12, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 12, 2009 I think Ascough is experienced and successful enough that he can make his own mind up. He's perfectly entitled to be unimpressed by the M8. I agree. If there's a gripe it should be with people who aren't experienced but use the opinions of bloggers to either defame or deify a certain camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 12, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 12, 2009 Thank goodness we live in a free world where we can express a personal choice and opinion. One day Ascough might appreciate a lighter burden on assignment than a bulky DSLR outfit. Each to his own! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbeyPhoto Posted October 16, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) One day Ascough might appreciate a lighter burden on assignment than a bulky DSLR outfit. Each to his own! You do know that Jeff shot exclusively with three M6's for many years .... if anyone is qualified to talk about Leica's at weddings then it's him. Read the whole article, he makes a reasoned argument however it is important to remember that the way Jeff works is very different to the majority of wedding photographers so his comments don't necessarily apply to everyone else. That said, my Nikon's shoot far more frames at a wedding than my Leica does, so personally I have to agree with Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 16, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 16, 2009 {snipped}That said, my Nikon's shoot far more frames at a wedding than my Leica does, so personally I have to agree with Jeff. My Nikon does too, but that's partly due to the fact I don't have an M9 yet. I'm thinking of replacing the D3--lock stock and barrel--with an M9 (or two). Right now, while I love the M8, the lack of full-frame makes it difficult to get fast and wide. And I'd still need an SLR for those rare occasions beyond 90mm, but I'm sorely tempted just to go M9s. Between their usable ISO 1600 and Leica's glass, and the back-relieving form-factor, it's very tempting. As for composition, I understand what Jeff is saying (while not pretending to be in his league) about the absoluteness of the SLR frame. Still, I actually like the bit of serendipity a rangefinder frame offers. Coupled with the fact that I still need to crop shots for prints a lot of the time, and the need for exact framing in an SLR becomes less pressing than the positive feeling I get composing with an RF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbeyPhoto Posted October 18, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 18, 2009 I'm thinking of replacing the D3--lock stock and barrel--with an M9 (or two). Right now, while I love the M8, the lack of full-frame makes it difficult to get fast and wide. And I'd still need an SLR for those rare occasions beyond 90mm, but I'm sorely tempted just to go M9s. Between their usable ISO 1600 and Leica's glass, and the back-relieving form-factor, it's very tempting. If that suits your style then great, but personally I rarely go wider than 30mm and rarely use less than f4 - I would miss ISO6400 far more than anything else. My wrist / neck & back much prefer the Leica though I have a small wedding on Tuesday at a venue I shoot regularly - I reckon I can shoot the whole thing with my M8 & 35mm f2.5. I will have a D3 plus 24-70 & SB900 on my shoulder .... just for comfort, hoping not to use it. Wish me luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted October 18, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2009 My Nikon does too, but that's partly due to the fact I don't have an M9 yet. I'm thinking of replacing the D3--lock stock and barrel--with an M9 (or two). Right now, while I love the M8, the lack of full-frame makes it difficult to get fast and wide. And I'd still need an SLR for those rare occasions beyond 90mm, but I'm sorely tempted just to go M9s. Between their usable ISO 1600 and Leica's glass, and the back-relieving form-factor, it's very tempting. As for composition, I understand what Jeff is saying (while not pretending to be in his league) about the absoluteness of the SLR frame. Still, I actually like the bit of serendipity a rangefinder frame offers. Coupled with the fact that I still need to crop shots for prints a lot of the time, and the need for exact framing in an SLR becomes less pressing than the positive feeling I get composing with an RF. I'm with you all the way on this Jamie. Started raising the funds this evening. My wedding shots taken with the M8 have a greater presence in my top shots on a percentage basis. The B&W conversions from the M8 are unequalled. My goal is now to knock one complete outfit from my kit locker and then next year the second leaving me with Leica film and digital M's. Back shooting M's only, but unsure yet whether it will be 2xM9, or an M9 + M8. Interested to see how the mix works for others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 19, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 19, 2009 but unsure yet whether it will be 2xM9, or an M9 + M8. Interested to see how the mix works for others. Not ideal in my opinion. The M8 is, of course, a perfect backup camera to an M9 but I'm not sure that I like using it alongside the M9 at the moment. Apart from the business of the IR filters (which isn't a huge problem if, like me, you tend to stick with the same lens on a particular body for a long period of time) there are at the moment sufficient differences in colour and tonal distribution between M8 and M9 images to make it potentially awkward to mix the two. The two cameras also expose slightly differently so you have to be a little bit careful about transferring one set of manuals settings from one body to the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 19, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 19, 2009 Rolo & Ian-- Your thoughts are exactly mine. I need to lose a system and I don't know which it should be right now--all options are interesting. 2 * M9s is very tempting, though (and I'd have a much cheaper dSLR for very long focal lengths), even if a little pricey!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted October 19, 2009 Share #13 Posted October 19, 2009 Maybe shoulld we send him this link http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/101027-m8-saves-wedding-ceremony-images.html as well as link to photographers sites using exclusively the Leica for their professonnal wedding work ? ---End Quote--- Nah. Then he'd realize the problem is with him, not the camera, and it might make him feel bad. Made me laff !! :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffwros Posted October 21, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 21, 2009 I have found "my peeps" in this thread! I'm in the market to do the same with my EOS gear. Thinking I'll have to keep a 70-200 and a body for those back-of-the-church grabs but a 90 and feet could do it. Still chewing on it all and it keeps me up at night! Doh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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