fotolebrocq Posted October 7, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, has anyone used this lens with the M9 yet? I am trying to decide on a 24/25 and I would like to know how this lens performs accross the frame, especially in the corners. Sean Reid's review is very useful but only relates to the M8 Cheers, Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ashwinrao1 Posted October 7, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2009 Love it on the M8. I had previously commented that it seems to have exceptional resolving power, so I suspect that it will handle the M9's 18 mp with no problem. I wish I had an M9 to test it on, but my wait goes on....maybe a couple more months, given the slow trickle of M8's into Seattle, WA (2 so far in the city...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted October 7, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2009 I also love it on the M8 but I'm going to have to get the mount changed to use it on the M9 as its now set up to bring up the 1.33 framelines. Zeiss has said they'll be happy to do it but with my M9 nowhere in sight and me still using the M8, I'm not in a rush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 7, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2009 Hi, has anyone used this lens with the M9 yet? I am trying to decide on a 24/25 and I would like to know how this lens performs accross the frame, especially in the corners. Sean Reid's review is very useful but only relates to the M8 Cheers, Tony Thanks. And you're right of course. Now that we have a full-frame DRF I need to gradually retest the many different RF lenses. I'm afraid that I haven't yet used the ZF 25 on the M9. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted October 7, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 7, 2009 I also love it on the M8 but I'm going to have to get the mount changed to use it on the M9 as its now set up to bring up the 1.33 framelines. Zeiss has said they'll be happy to do it but with my M9 nowhere in sight and me still using the M8, I'm not in a rush. Why would that be necessary? If your lens is correctly coded and gets detected properly by the M8, that should be fine on the M9. You'd need an accessory finder anyway. Cheers Ivo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 7, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2009 I also love it on the M8 but I'm going to have to get the mount changed to use it on the M9 as its now set up to bring up the 1.33 framelines. Zeiss has said they'll be happy to do it but with my M9 nowhere in sight and me still using the M8, I'm not in a rush. What is the lens coded as right now and what frame lines does your particular example trigger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted October 7, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 7, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can just say that my new copy of the Zeiss 21 f/2.8 simply blew me away on the M9! What an amazing lens! I previously had the 25 on the M8 and it was great too, I expect similar behaviour on the M9. FWIW here a sample (with a 100% crop) of the Zeiss21 with M9 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/99377-zeiss-25mm/?do=findComment&comment=1066330'>More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted October 8, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 8, 2009 What is the lens coded as right now and what frame lines does your particular example trigger? Sean: it is coded as a Elmarit 24 and it brings up the 24 framelines. It has the mount Zeiss recommended for M8. That mount was milled by John Milich and I coded it. I had assumed that I needed the regular 35mm mount for the M9. If that's not necessary I'll be delighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJones Posted October 8, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 8, 2009 What is the lens coded as right now and what frame lines does your particular example trigger? Won't the leica 24 pull the 35 on the M9 - saw that on another thread - I think Mark Norton noted it does? Can the menu lens coding over-ride what the lens is "hard" coded for. I know it won't affect what framelines that the flange pulls. And was the Zeiss 25 original issued pulling the M8x 35 but then later changed to pull the m8x 24 framelines? I can't remember now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted October 8, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 8, 2009 Sean: it is coded as a Elmarit 24 and it brings up the 24 framelines. It has the mount Zeiss recommended for M8. That mount was milled by John Milich and I coded it. I had assumed that I needed the regular 35mm mount for the M9. If that's not necessary I'll be delighted. The M9 will recognise is as a 24mm Elmarit, just as the M8 does. But while on a M8, the lens brings up the 24 and 35mm framelines, on a M9 it will bring up 35 and 135, as the M9 finder cannot accommodate the 24mm length. This makes no difference to lens recognition -- the preview lever is still in the same position -- so your only worry is to get an appropriate 24/25mm finder. Zeiss might be appropriate. It is not cheap but costs far less than the new Leica bright frame finders, and it is really excellent. I however happens to have an old black plastic Leica finder handy. I use it on my M8 with the 18mm Distagon! I went the same with my Biogon route as you did -- pulled the bayonet and sent it to John Milich for milliching. I agree, it is a remarkable lens. The old man from the Age of Zeiss Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 8, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 8, 2009 Sean: it is coded as a Elmarit 24 and it brings up the 24 framelines. It has the mount Zeiss recommended for M8. That mount was milled by John Milich and I coded it. I had assumed that I needed the regular 35mm mount for the M9. If that's not necessary I'll be delighted. There are only 3 mounts used for all Leica M cameras. One mount does not move the frameline selector form it's resting place if there is no lens attached to the camera, farthest position away from the lens mount. The second mount moves the FL selector to the middle position. The third mount moves the FL selector to the closest position to the lens mount. All Leica cameras and lenses are the same. With x.72 finder cameras and the FF x.68 finder of the M9 the first position, farthest away from the lense mount, brings up the 35 & 135 FL's. On the M8 it brings up the 35 & 24 FL's. See a 35mm lens on the M9 or on a M8 moves the frameline selector to the same place (Well actually is doesn't move it at all, it leaves it in it's At Rest (No lens attached) position). It is the same on Film M's also. The difference on the M8, as apposed to the M9 and all other film M's, is there are no 135mm FL's so on the M8 it brings up the 35 and the 24 lines. So the 24mm and the 35mm and the 135mm lenses all have the same mount, as far as the frameline selector lug is concerned. If your Zeiss 25mm lens now brings up the 35 & 24 mm framelines on the M8 and you have it coded as a Leica 24mm Elmarit you don't have to change anything. But if for some reason that lens brings up the 28mm framelines and is coded as a 28mm lens you have 2 choices. Leave it as it is and capture much more then what the framlines show or change out the mount to one that does bring up the 35/135 framelines and recode it as a 24mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 8, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 8, 2009 Sean: it is coded as a Elmarit 24 and it brings up the 24 framelines. It has the mount Zeiss recommended for M8. That mount was milled by John Milich and I coded it. I had assumed that I needed the regular 35mm mount for the M9. If that's not necessary I'll be delighted. 24/35/135 are all triggered with the same mount so you should be all set. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 8, 2009 Share #13 Posted October 8, 2009 Can the menu lens coding over-ride what the lens is "hard" coded for. I know it won't affect what framelines that the flange pulls. As of now, yes they can. So one can cross code if needed/desired. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 8, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 8, 2009 Hi There I've got this lens, and it was a real favorite on the M8 (rather replaced in favour by the 28 'cron on the M9), I haven't tried it out on the M9 yet, but I'll try and give it a go in the next day or so. We all know it to be astonishingly sharp on the M8, I wouldn't expect that to change, but obviously the corners become more interesting, and any colour shift as well. It won't be anything like one of Sean's wonderful reviews, but I'll report back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted October 8, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 8, 2009 24/35/135 are all triggered with the same mount so you should be all set. Cheers, Sean Yes, but per Lars, the 24 frameline won't show on an M9; it will only be 35/135. Lars suggests a viewfinder, which I would consider. But has anyone looked at whether on an M9 with this lens (or for that matter with a Leica 24mm), it is at all feasible simply to use the whole viewfinder, ignoring the framelines? If that's the case, there's no need to change the mount. If I don't change the mount I also can keep the coding. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 8, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 8, 2009 Yes, but per Lars, the 24 frameline won't show on an M9; it will only be 35/135. Lars suggests a viewfinder, which I would consider. But has anyone looked at whether on an M9 with this lens (or for that matter with a Leica 24mm), it is at all feasible simply to use the whole viewfinder, ignoring the framelines? If that's the case, there's no need to change the mount. If I don't change the mount I also can keep the coding. Thanks. Hi There - of course, you can do this, but the 28mm framelines are very close to the edge of the frame (I'd say more so than the 24 mm lines in the M8). You will get more than the whole viewfinder with a 24mm, so the framelines it brings up are pretty irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 8, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 8, 2009 Yes, but per Lars, the 24 frameline won't show on an M9; it will only be 35/135. Lars suggests a viewfinder, which I would consider. But has anyone looked at whether on an M9 with this lens (or for that matter with a Leica 24mm), it is at all feasible simply to use the whole viewfinder, ignoring the framelines? If that's the case, there's no need to change the mount. If I don't change the mount I also can keep the coding. Thanks. If you change the mount to bring up any other framelines then the 35 & 135, on the M9, the lens will not be recognized. For the lens coding to work the frameline selector has to be in the correct position along with the right coding. Ther is NO reason to change the lens mount if it now brings up the 35/135 FL's on the M9. No the whole viewfinder will not show what a 24 or 25mm lens will capture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 8, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 8, 2009 Yes, but per Lars, the 24 frameline won't show on an M9; it will only be 35/135. Lars suggests a viewfinder, which I would consider. But has anyone looked at whether on an M9 with this lens (or for that matter with a Leica 24mm), it is at all feasible simply to use the whole viewfinder, ignoring the framelines? If that's the case, there's no need to change the mount. If I don't change the mount I also can keep the coding. Thanks. The whole finder really shows about the view of a 28 mm lens focused near infinity. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJones Posted October 8, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 8, 2009 24/35/135 are all triggered with the same mount so you should be all set. Cheers, Sean I thought the original Zeiss 25 brought up the 28/90 on the M8? (reference article "24/25mm Rangefinder Camera Lenses" on reidreviews.com ) Nevermind - I see that WeinschelA already has a Zeiss25 with the 24/35 flange for M8 so would work on M9 but bring up the 35/135 frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulrikft Posted October 8, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 8, 2009 Aww.. I thought that i could use the entire VF for a 25mm lens, I guess my 25/50 first purchase plan is out, and 28/50 is in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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