erl Posted October 20, 2009 Share #161 Posted October 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) You are so gracious thank you. I might actually change my signature, which is my prerogative but at least I don't bask behind a pen name Neither does Ivan according to my observation. Notably some famous and well respected characters have in the past though. Of course, when is a (presumed) pen name a pen name? You could presume that of me, and be very wrong, I assure you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 20, 2009 Posted October 20, 2009 Hi erl, Take a look here Film Photography V Digital Imaging different animals. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
delander † Posted October 20, 2009 Share #162 Posted October 20, 2009 I have not read this thread lately but in case no one has posted this definition from the latest Oxford English Dictionary - you know the very big one with zillions of words. "1. A picture or image obtained by photography; (originally) a picture made using a camera in which an image is focused on to sensitive material and then made visible and permanent by chemical treatment; (later also) a picture made by focusing an image and then storing it digitally." So I think that clears it up. Mind you it does state 'focusing' it could be out of focus. And of course there are degrees of focus etc Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 20, 2009 Share #163 Posted October 20, 2009 Cheers Jeff. One of Kenneth's contentions in the past has been that digital photography isn't photography because it doesn't say so in his dictionary. Maybe he'll shut up on that one now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 20, 2009 Share #164 Posted October 20, 2009 Cheers Jeff. One of Kenneth's contentions in the past has been that digital photography isn't photography because it doesn't say so in his dictionary. ... Since the definitions in those dictionaries all ended in the film being chemically processed, scanning a chemically produced image and processing it digitally would still qualify as "photography", anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share #165 Posted October 20, 2009 Cheers Jeff. One of Kenneth's contentions in the past has been that digital photography isn't photography because it doesn't say so in his dictionary. Maybe he'll shut up on that one now. I will when I am good and ready and not at your insistence Steve. My main contention is that I think all digital imagery I have had to view has been awful- period Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted October 20, 2009 Share #166 Posted October 20, 2009 ""There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a Fuzzy Concept"- H.Cartier- Bresson Regards Kenneth" Yes there is - someone who attributes a quote to the wrong person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share #167 Posted October 20, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ""There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a Fuzzy Concept"- H.Cartier- Bresson Regards Kenneth" Yes there is - someone who attributes a quote to the wrong person. You are right-Obviously a senior moment. Corrected and back in the Zone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share #168 Posted October 20, 2009 Neither does Ivan according to my observation. Notably some famous and well respected characters have in the past though. Of course, when is a (presumed) pen name a pen name? You could presume that of me, and be very wrong, I assure you! I would not consider such an assumption of someone who holds such a high office as you and my pen name comment was not specifically aimed at Ivan after all he has enough to cope with being a Juventus fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbgeach Posted October 20, 2009 Share #169 Posted October 20, 2009 I would just like to add my 2 cents. Photography is the visual recording of a moment in time. The original post is very provocative. Telling photographers who have spend countless hours and thousands of dollars honing their craft that they are not photographers is always going to be seen as a provocation. So if they are not photographers, what should they advertise as? Digital imaging specialist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted October 20, 2009 Share #170 Posted October 20, 2009 Kenneth, you might want to also check the definition of 'awful'. It means to be full of awe, ie in awe of something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share #171 Posted October 20, 2009 I would just like to add my 2 cents. Photography is the visual recording of a moment in time. The original post is very provocative. Telling photographers who have spend countless hours and thousands of dollars honing their craft that they are not photographers is always going to be seen as a provocation. So if they are not photographers, what should they advertise as? Digital imaging specialist? But all members of this forum are entitled to thier own opinion and the original post was mine so I suggest you just get over it. I am sure also it will of pricked the consciences of those would have shelled out vast amounts of dollars, to quote you, only to find that thier objects of desire are outmoded and obsolete. Also, I did not tell anyone that they were not photographers. You have assumed that and that could by quite telling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share #172 Posted October 20, 2009 Kenneth, you might want to also check the definition of 'awful'. It means to be full of awe, ie in awe of something.But you know as well as I do what I mean surely but by all means please feel free to substitute the word for shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbgeach Posted October 21, 2009 Share #173 Posted October 21, 2009 But all members of this forum are entitled to thier own opinion and the original post was mine so I suggest you just get over it. I am sure also it will of pricked the consciences of those would have shelled out vast amounts of dollars, to quote you, only to find that thier objects of desire are outmoded and obsolete. Also, I did not tell anyone that they were not photographers. You have assumed that and that could by quite telling from your original post I never use the word photography to describe the digital process You asserted that digital imaging is not photography, therefore, by your reasoning, not your words, digital imagers are not photographers. It may be your opinion, however it is a very radical and provocative opinion, therefore you should realize that people will take offense. You did never answer my question. If "digital process" is not photography, what would you recommend that a practitioner of the digital arts call himself? Because clearly ACME photography is out the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted October 21, 2009 Share #174 Posted October 21, 2009 I could call it anything I like, but as long as the OED calls it photography, it's photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share #175 Posted October 21, 2009 from your original post You asserted that digital imaging is not photography, therefore, by your reasoning, not your words, digital imagers are not photographers. It may be your opinion, however it is a very radical and provocative opinion, therefore you should realize that people will take offense. You did never answer my question. If "digital process" is not photography, what would you recommend that a practitioner of the digital arts call himself? Because clearly ACME photography is out the door. Fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share #176 Posted October 21, 2009 I could call it anything I like, but as long as the OED calls it photography, it's photography. Good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 21, 2009 Share #177 Posted October 21, 2009 I think Camelot is just over the next hill! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 21, 2009 Share #178 Posted October 21, 2009 Camelot? - La Mancha? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share #179 Posted October 21, 2009 I think Camelot is just over the next hill! Well at least it is good to see honest straight forward grown up debating rather that points scoring and I must say that this debate, apart from minor interruptions, has helped me to understand how I feel about this whole issue and for that I am grateful. I hope we can all move on now, thank you again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted October 21, 2009 Share #180 Posted October 21, 2009 Camelot? - La Mancha? If it comes down to the musical version, La Mancha is my clear favourite! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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