Ecaton Posted July 25, 2010 Share #221 Posted July 25, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the current fashion for political correctness, I'm surprised that manufacturers have not been forced to state exactly which parts of their products have been sourced and/or assembled abroad. And there could be a case for communicating the %'s to interested consumers ... in a similar way to packets of food showing their contents and nutrional values. Then we might have a choice as to whether we wish to pay a premium price for an item largely made abroad which might not be subject to the same QA checks as something made on home soil. dunk Trust me, depending on the country one is a resident of, "made abroad" rather than "made on home soil" is not a bad thing for precision instruments/tools, particularly for residents of English speaking countries;) And as far as Leica is concerned, does "made on home soil" include factories in Germany and Portugal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 25, 2010 Posted July 25, 2010 Hi Ecaton, Take a look here Where is X1 made?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
bill Posted July 25, 2010 Share #222 Posted July 25, 2010 It's made on Earth - that's enough, isn't it? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 25, 2010 Share #223 Posted July 25, 2010 It's made on Earth - that's enough, isn't it? Regards, Bill +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted July 25, 2010 Share #224 Posted July 25, 2010 It's made on Earth - that's enough, isn't it? Regards, Bill But how long will it be before 'Planetism' becomes un-PC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MartinMann Posted July 25, 2010 Share #225 Posted July 25, 2010 I am having a good feeling, knowing it is MADE IN GERMANY, because then I know, there is no child's work involved. That's worth the price too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 25, 2010 Share #226 Posted July 25, 2010 It's made on Earth - that's enough, isn't it? Regards, Bill No ... it is not enough ... because different manufacturers have different ideas about QA. For example, it is a well known fact that a certain 'far east' manufactured ultrawide zoom lens is the one of the best there is of its type ... but only when a buyer is lucky enough to acquire a good example. There is documented evidence that some buyers have returned several examples of the same lens to their dealer before eventually finding one which performed well. A photographer should not have to buy up to 5 examples of a lens before finding one that performed to expectations. Sean Reid's reviews mention this particular ultrawide's QA anomaly. I'm using my second X1 as the first example was unsatisfactory ... but the second also has QA issues and should also be returned ... but I do not want another 2 month wait for a replacement. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 25, 2010 Share #227 Posted July 25, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am having a good feeling, knowing it is MADE IN GERMANY,because then I know, there is no child's work involved. That's worth the price too. NO YOU DON'T KNOW! Where do base materials, components, parts, come from, is there pre-assembling of systems elsewhere etc etc. Assembled in Germany or manufactured are not one and the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MartinMann Posted July 25, 2010 Share #228 Posted July 25, 2010 NO YOU DON'T KNOW! Where do base materials, components, parts, come from, is there pre-assembling of systems elsewhere etc etc. Assembled in Germany or manufactured are not one and the same. Please, do not rob me the last confidence in a nearly 100 year old German company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 25, 2010 Share #229 Posted July 25, 2010 Final assembly is done in Germany, just as final assembly of M7s, MPs, M8s and M9s is done in Germany. It was the same with R8s and R9s. Assembly of much of the body on all these cameras is carried out elsewhere, either in Portugal or somewhere else for models such as the CM and the X1. Obviously, compacts that share a heritage with Panasonic never see Germany during manufacture. None of the above cameras are any worse for being partially made outside Germany. It's not just Leica, of course. There is a reasonable chance these days that your BMW or Mercedes is made in the US or South Africa. Some Volkswagens are made in Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 25, 2010 Share #230 Posted July 25, 2010 Please, do not rob me the last confidence in a nearly 100 year old German company. I assume it is general knowledge that most of the base materials used to manufacture products, including metals for camera bodies, lenses (glass) are not from regions with the most labour friendly laws and environments. To put it mildly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted July 25, 2010 Share #231 Posted July 25, 2010 Please, do not rob me the last confidence in a nearly 100 year old German company. Been going on for years ... BTW ... My dealer sent me three sets of these and none of them worked ... MK then sent me a set that did. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiILX1 Posted July 25, 2010 Share #233 Posted July 25, 2010 Meaning they're actually Chinese workers disguised as Germans. I don't know many Chinese with the name "R. Sauter"- the name of the Leica guy in Germany who signed my X1's "Test Certificate" Or are fake names part of the diguise like "Susan" who I talked to with Intuit Tech Support today who was clearly in India? The conspiracy grows more elaborate... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted October 7, 2010 Share #234 Posted October 7, 2010 According to the current issue of the German magazine brand eins, all major components of the X1 ("alle wichtigen Baugruppen") are made by Sanyo. As we all know, the final assembly is then done in Solms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 7, 2010 Share #235 Posted October 7, 2010 And where does Sanyo have most of its manufacturing? China perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted October 7, 2010 Share #236 Posted October 7, 2010 And where does Sanyo have most of its manufacturing? China perhaps? No idea. But I just learned that they are owned by Panasonic, so Leica didn't really switch partners for the X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted October 7, 2010 Share #237 Posted October 7, 2010 No idea. But I just learned that they are owned by Panasonic, so Leica didn't really switch partners for the X1. So the X1 lens is made by Panasonic? That would suggest that Leica is getting double the *markup* on the X1 that they are getting on (for example) the DL4. If that's true, I should feel like I've been had. Yet, it still is the world leader for its size...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted October 8, 2010 Share #238 Posted October 8, 2010 200+ posts and 16,000+ views wow! Since nobody truly knows here's the thing: For Leica/X1 bashers the camera is made in China For Leicaphiles/X1philes the camera is made in Solms. For me, it just take photos, nice ones at that. World peace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggi Posted October 11, 2010 Share #239 Posted October 11, 2010 According to the current issue of the German magazine brand eins, all major components of the X1 ("alle wichtigen Baugruppen") are made by Sanyo. As we all know, the final assembly is then done in Solms. Like the 'Panaleicas' now you can call the X1 'Sanyoleica'! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted October 11, 2010 Share #240 Posted October 11, 2010 Like the 'Panaleicas' now you can call the X1 'Sanyoleica'! I'm really getting how pissy people are on this forum now. First everyone RAILED against the X1 for being a panasonic. Then it was just a leica body with a Kodak sensor- go buy a Kodak everyone said. Then it was the D300S sensor, "just go buy that" they said. Then everyone said it's a Sony sensor. Every damn camera that comes out, no matter how crappy, the first thing said about it on this forum is "this blows away the X1 for 1/100th the price..." Every comparison seems meant to help the author convince himself to be happy without the X1, choosing comparison terms clearly meant with a pre-determined conclusion in mind. GF-1, NEX-5, Sanyo, Fuji X-100, doesn't matter I'm checking out of this forum filled with people just looking to slam this camera. The best summary was posted by phancj about the X100: "If I may point out something else: When the nex was launched, the X1 was slammed for being too rigid, no interchangeable lens means no future, blah blah blah. Now that some "Nexphiles" suddenly became Fujiphiles then the whole process starts again, except now they like fixed 35mm and how it is liberating, your legs become the zoom, how it takes you to the glorious days before the curse of zoom was invented. Check on some posters and see how they amazingly transform their stance each time a new non-Leica gets announced, and take every opportunity to justify any form of leica-bashing. I might point out that Leica was the first to launch an APS-C sensor in so small a compact, with a fixed 35mm lens. Not fuji or sony. But wait! Now I am a Leicaphile?? I cannot wait for Canon and Nikon to launch similar concepts coz then these "new" products become "revolutionary" morphing the Fujiphiles into canophiles and nikonphiles!:D" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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