ayres Posted August 27, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) hi everyone... i love it when software and hardware simply work. an example of this is how my mac recognizes the various raw photographic formats that i have on my computer. by this, i mean that the operating system recognizes the format as a photographic image. however, with my d-lux 4 purchase, the raw .RWL files are not recognized. i assume this is the case with everyone? is there a way for the operating system to recognize the format without using third party software? cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lykaman Posted August 27, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 27, 2009 The software disc that came with your DL4 will read all the Formats..(inc Raw) As of now I do not think any Mac Apps read the DL4 Raw files.. I have been using jpeg & find them quite satisfactory..the other alternative is to save Raw+jpeg..save the Raw onto a separate external HD and when the updates on the Mac Apps arrive you can use them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulpp Posted August 27, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 27, 2009 Will be interesting to see whether Snow Leopard (released tomorrow) will have support for more RAW formats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 27, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 27, 2009 As of now I do not think any Mac Apps read the DL4 Raw files.. Raw Developer (Iridient Digital) does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 27, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 27, 2009 It's not that apps don't recognize the files, it's that the OS doesn't. You can use CS4, Capture One, Raw Developer, etc. However, since Aperture utilizes the underlying OSX raw support, it doesn't recognize the .RWLs. I'm also quite interested to see if this changes under Snow Leopard. We'll know tomorrow! Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulpp Posted August 27, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 27, 2009 There has been alot of discussion about this on the Apple Aperture Support Forum. The consensus seems to be that - 1. Because RAW support is in the OS it takes longer. 2. The Capture One software (and presumably the others) need to correct a lens distortion as part of the RAW conversion (??????) 3. Apple always takes a long time to come up with new RAW support compared to others. None of which is a help. Am pinning my hopes on Snow Leopard without holding my breath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 27, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Apple has updated their raw file support from time to time, not generally synchronized to major releases of Mac OS X. If they will eventually support the D-Lux 4/LX3, support will be added with or without Snow Leopard. Anyway, there are excellent raw conversion options available for the Mac, whether Apple gets around to support a camera or they don’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chf Posted August 27, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 27, 2009 RAW support for D-Lux4 is still not implemented in Snow Leopard. According to the Apple Support this is due to the extra information included into the RWLs (lense distortion, etc) which seems to make support quite difficult. Afaik Adobe simply ignores these information, when editing D-Lux4 pictures? So the best way is still to import with C1 when using RAW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 27, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 27, 2009 RAW support for D-Lux4 is still not implemented in Snow Leopard. According to the Apple Support this is due to the extra information included into the RWLs (lense distortion, etc) which seems to make support quite difficult. Afaik Adobe simply ignores these information, when editing D-Lux4 pictures? So the best way is still to import with C1 when using RAW. That's very disappointing. And yes, we all know quite well that there are corrections that need to be made for the lens distortion, CA, etc. brought about by the extra wide lens. That being said, Apple has a shit load of resources at their disposal, and the camera has been out for a year now. Not happy.... And I'm well aware that there are other RAW processing options besides Aperture, but since I also use Aperture as my primary sorting/organizing/backup solution, I'd prefer an all-in-one approach. I have so little free time as is, dealing with multiple photo software, plus my scanning software (FlexColor), plus my printing RIP (ImagePrint) is just a bit too much. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulpp Posted August 27, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 27, 2009 I totally agree re Aperture. I use it as my primary tool and don't want to be changing programs for different cameras. There is a real issue as to whether Apple support Aperture as a "professional" tool which is what they market it as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvBilly Posted August 27, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 27, 2009 Adobe CS4 on the Mac fully supports D-Lux 4 RWL files, including ALL the distortion correction. In fact, IMHO, it does the very best job reading the distortion information in the RWL file as well as allowing you to manually add your own distortion correction. Capture One (the non-pro version that comes with the D-Lux 4) does NOT support all the correction info, just some of it, much to my disappointment. (And why on earth does Leica supply a version that doesn't take advantage of all the distortion info built into the RWL file?!!). Silkypix, which comes with the Panasonic version of the camera, does use all the distortion information built into the RWL file, though I'm not much of a fan of Silkypix for other reasons (but that's another thread). Billy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 27, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 27, 2009 Adobe CS4 on the Mac fully supports D-Lux 4 RWL files, including ALL the distortion correction. In fact, IMHO, it does the very best job reading the distortion information in the RWL file as well as allowing you to manually add your own distortion correction. Capture One (the non-pro version that comes with the D-Lux 4) does NOT support all the correction info, just some of it, much to my disappointment. (And why on earth does Leica supply a version that doesn't take advantage of all the distortion info built into the RWL file?!!). Silkypix, which comes with the Panasonic version of the camera, does use all the distortion information built into the RWL file, though I'm not much of a fan of Silkypix for other reasons (but that's another thread). Billy Billy, I never upgraded to CS4 from CS3, hoping that Aperture would support the D-Lux 4 eventually. Given the (otherwise) maturity of Aperture, and the availability of great plug-ins like Nik Software's various tools, I have found myself going into Photoshop only once in a blue moon. That being said, I still do need Photoshop on occasion, and I read elsewhere yesterday (MacCentral, I think) that Adobe is *not* supporting CS3 under Snow Leopard, so I guess I'll be updating to CS4 anyway ( ), so the D-Lux 4 support will be the icing on the cake. I know many people swear by Capture One, but I can't stand it. I don't use my D-Lux 4 that much (mostly shoot film), but I've taken to setting it on JPG mode just to avoid the raw conversion issue (and avoid using C1). Best, Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvBilly Posted August 27, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 27, 2009 I never upgraded to CS4 from CS3, [snip...] I read elsewhere yesterday (MacCentral, I think) that Adobe is *not* supporting CS3 under Snow Leopard, so I guess I'll be updating to CS4 anyway ( ), so the D-Lux 4 support will be the icing on the cake. The key word here is "support". It turns out that CS3 apparently works just fine under Snow Leopard. Not that I'm recommending that you don't upgrade, just that you might not have to. Check out this link: John Nack on Adobe: Information about Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard Billy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 27, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 27, 2009 The key word here is "support". It turns out that CS3 apparently works just fine under Snow Leopard. Not that I'm recommending that you don't upgrade, just that you might not have to. Check out this link: John Nack on Adobe: Information about Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard Billy Thanks for the info! The story I read yesterday (on AppleInsider, not MacCentral) was far more skeptical --- AppleInsider | Adobe abandons CS3 legacy support for Apple's Snow Leopard Guess we'll see! I was planning on updating my Photoshop at some point, but given Adobe's approximate 18 month life cycles, would have likely waited till CS5 if possible. Guess I still may be able to. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted August 27, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 27, 2009 Software correction of LX3 and G1/GH1 raw files is implemented by Adobe, eg Lightroom on Mac. It required a cooperation of the soft developer with Panasonic (opening codes etc). Apple apparently refused to do it for their OS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayres Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted August 27, 2009 good info, everyone. thanks... so let me get this straight... will capture one convert the .rwls to .raw??? also, what are your opinions of lightroom 2? does it handle .rwl? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 27, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 27, 2009 good info, everyone. thanks... so let me get this straight... will capture one convert the .rwls to .raw??? also, what are your opinions of lightroom 2? does it handle .rwl? .RWL is raw; Yes, Capture One will convert them to JPG, TIFF, DNG, etc. And those file formats can in turn be utilized in a program such as Aperture, Photoshop, etc. I'm pretty sure that LR2 does handle .RWL, because I believe it uses the underlying engine of Adobe Camera Raw, same as Photoshop. I don't own it though, so I'll let someone else weigh in on impressions. Best wishes, Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bygeorge Posted August 27, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 27, 2009 :DI also have a MAC You could use Raw Developer and you can get it here: Iridient Digital Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugat Posted August 28, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 28, 2009 .RWL is raw; Yes, Capture One will convert them to JPG, TIFF, DNG, etc. And those file formats can in turn be utilized in a program such as Aperture, Photoshop, etc. I'm pretty sure that LR2 does handle .RWL, because I believe it uses the underlying engine of Adobe Camera Raw, same as Photoshop. I don't own it though, so I'll let someone else weigh in on impressions. Best wishes, Jeff. I open LX3, G1/GH1 raw files in LR2.4 no problem. Olympus E-P1 .orf files are readable by ACR5.5 release candidate. If one prefers Aperture, the files can be converted to DNG in Adobe soft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayres Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share #20 Posted August 28, 2009 .RWL is raw; Yes, Capture One will convert them to JPG, TIFF, DNG, etc. And those file formats can in turn be utilized in a program such as Aperture, Photoshop, etc. right, i understand that .rwl is a raw/uncompressed format... i guess what i'm asking is, with capture one convert .rwl to another raw format that the mac's os can read? cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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