sdai Posted August 19, 2009 Share #101 Posted August 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) You're not serious, are you? I'm not a electronics engineer either, Georg ... in fact, my job has nothing to do with electronics but ... all kinds of information is at your fingertips thanks to google and ask.com etc. I apologize if you feel offended. We're here all because of a frakking camera, I for one, have absolutely nothing personal. Should we've known each other in person, we may be very best friends because of our "Leica passion" in common. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Hi sdai, Take a look here S2 and Leica's list of sins. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
R10dreamer Posted August 19, 2009 Share #102 Posted August 19, 2009 For goodness' sake, you're looking under audio/video category, do you need me to teach you how to surf the web? A/D Converters | Analog to Digital Converters | Analog Devices There are even 24 bit ADCs. LOL What an ass! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 19, 2009 Share #103 Posted August 19, 2009 IOW, it's not like you're matching your lens to an individual body only. It's just that the body is smart enough to take into account some of the variances within each system lens. I really don't know, Jamie ... if everything is as simple as we are talking on the forum, Leica has beat them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 19, 2009 Share #104 Posted August 19, 2009 What an ass! Wow ... I'm actually feeling better now, somebody did say it. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 19, 2009 Share #105 Posted August 19, 2009 Why do I have a vision of someone counting the number of angels on the head of a pin? Personally I'm waiting to see some photographs from the S2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 19, 2009 Share #106 Posted August 19, 2009 Wow ... I'm actually feeling better now, somebody did say it. LOL See Simon? Your "buns of steel" workouts have been paying off! Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 19, 2009 Share #107 Posted August 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) See Simon? Your "buns of steel" workouts have been paying off! Jeff. Hehe, if it actually makes someone feel better, then I'm perfectly ok. These forum threads are not going anywhere 'cause we all know that Leica is on their own agenda and isn't listening. How do you like your R9s, Jeff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 19, 2009 Share #108 Posted August 19, 2009 How do you like your R9s, Jeff? Very much, thanks for asking. Must say that having previously been an exclusive M shooter (not including small sensor compacts), I think I enjoy the TTL viewfinder much more than the rangefinder. Heresy to some, I know, but my results have been better. I'm now thinking quite seriously about a 5dmk2 and adapters. Want to continue easy switching between film and digital, so the Leitax solutions others are happy with are not in the mix for me. Was going to wait to see what Leica has in mind for their R digital solution, but consensus seems to be that this isn't going to be announced for some time yet, so I may need to pull the trigger on the Canon... Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 19, 2009 Share #109 Posted August 19, 2009 I'm now thinking quite seriously about a 5dmk2 and adapters. Want to continue easy switching between film and digital, so the Leitax solutions others are happy with are not in the mix for me. Was going to wait to see what Leica has in mind for their R digital solution, but consensus seems to be that this isn't going to be announced for some time yet, so I may need to pull the trigger on the Canon... I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying it, Jeff. I dropped my 180 APO about a month ago (ok, the cheaper APO 3.4 ) because the adapter didn't lock in place securely (or shall I say properly?) when I attached it to the rear mount, so they fell apart from each other, the adapter stayed on the camera but the lens hit concrete ... you might want to pay extra attention when adapting these heavier models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 19, 2009 Share #110 Posted August 19, 2009 I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying it, Jeff. I dropped my 180 APO about a month ago (ok, the cheaper APO 3.4 ) because the adapter didn't lock in place securely (or shall I say properly?) when I attached it to the rear mount, so they fell apart from each other, the adapter stayed on the camera but the lens hit concrete ... you might want to pay extra attention when adapting these heavier models. Yeah, I've heard about some similar horror stories. I'll be taking that into consideration when deciding what kind of adapters to buy. I'm suspicious of the build quality/precision of the focus confirmation adapters on eBay, but may buy one or two to experiment. However, I think I'll likely rely on Novoflex for the heavier lenses (for me, the 100/2.8 macro elmar and 80-200 vario). Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 19, 2009 Share #111 Posted August 19, 2009 I've tried 3 different type of eBay adapters from Hong Kong and mainland China, they all seem to be ok and work as advertised, there's one type from a guy with an eBay ID "happypagehk" which can enable all metering modes on a 1D and probably a 5D2 , when I choose linking AE to AF point from the custom menu, the meter reading follows the switching AF point, which is really cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 19, 2009 Share #112 Posted August 19, 2009 I've tried 3 different type of eBay adapters from Hong Kong and mainland China, they all seem to be ok and work as advertised, there's one type from a guy with an eBay ID "happypagehk" which can enable all metering modes on a 1D and probably a 5D2 , when I choose linking AE to AF point from the custom menu, the meter reading follows the switching AF point, which is really cool. They are the ones I like too--worked on my 1ds2 and 5d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnastovall Posted August 19, 2009 Share #113 Posted August 19, 2009 They are the ones I like too--worked on my 1ds2 and 5d HappypageHK all the way have used his Contax, Olympus and R adapters on my 5D. I fact I'm using one now on my APO 180/3.4 and it is rock solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted August 19, 2009 Share #114 Posted August 19, 2009 Thanks for the advice gents. I'll get a couple of those (once I've obtained the 5dmk2, of course). Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 20, 2009 Share #115 Posted August 20, 2009 That's actually a pretty bad thing, in other words, all future sensor assembly designs has to conform with the lens profiles and they're different. You're betting that all future sensors will have the exact same response to the lens profile today. Lens profiles are exactly that; they define properties of the lens, independently from the sensor or whatever. Using lens profiles, whether stored within the lens itself or in a raw converter, is hardly a new concept; storing lens profiles in the lens itself is necessary when that data is to be used by the in-camera image processing; that isn’t a novel concept either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 20, 2009 Share #116 Posted August 20, 2009 When I read sdai messages in quotes like the one before, I'm glad he is on my ignore list. Another guy who thinks he can explain optical engineering to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 20, 2009 Share #117 Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, Simon's posts are uncontaminated by facts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 20, 2009 Share #118 Posted August 20, 2009 Lens profiles are exactly that; they define properties of the lens, independently from the sensor or whatever. Using lens profiles, whether stored within the lens itself or in a raw converter, is hardly a new concept; storing lens profiles in the lens itself is necessary when that data is to be used by the in-camera image processing; that isn’t a novel concept either. I feel a lot more comfortable with your explanation, Michael ... I just don't get all the fuss about some much-hyped features and magics which, are eventually proven wrong or non-existent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plevyadophy Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share #119 Posted September 19, 2009 I wasn't overly excited by the announced specs of the S2. Here's my list of sins: Kodak CCD - Not exactly known for making ground breaking sensors, and the sensor should have been CMOS so as to provide LiveView No LiveView - regarded by many an old fart as just a gimmick, but in fact it is extremely useful for work with tilt-and-shift lenses (see the review on this site Digital Camera Reviews and News: Digital Photography Review: Forums, Glossary, FAQ of Canon's new 24mm T & S lens) and, if my memory serves me correctly, Leica have a T & S lens as part of the S System roadmap. LCD 460,000 dots - pretty rubbish really for a premium product. Sapphire Glass on LCD only at MUCH greater expense - I wonder how much more it's gonna cost. So far it seems that you can only get this feature if you also fork out extra money for the higher priced warranty package. At that much extra I would be inclined to simply get a piece of perspex cut to size and affix it to the LCD for protection. Shutter 1/4000 - for some considerable time Leica were touting the fact that the S2 is akin to a standard high-end 35mm in size and portability (although they now seem to be changing their tune a little and are making more noises about it's similarities to medium format), if that is so then the cam lends itself to use outdoors in bright light. I would therefore have expected a highter top shutter speed of 1/8000 to compete with the top cams Canon and Nikon have to offer. But to be fair to Leica perhaps there is a technical reason for not providing a 1/8000 shutter speed; perhaps because the shutter is much larger and has further to travel than that on a 35mm cam it can't be done easily. Flash sync: 1/125 (and requires in-lens leaf shutter to get to just 1/500 secs) - wholly unimpressive. But again, to be fair to Leica perhaps this slowness is due to the much larger shutter that has to be moved accross the sensor. 1.5fps - I appreciate that at this frame rate and moving 14 bit images the camera is moving an impressive amount of data, but I still feel they should have tried harder and gone for 2 fps to make the camera really impressive. Exposure Metering - only 5 fields in so called Mult-Field metering - in this day and age, this is simply not good enough; a joke really Central crosshair AF sensor - so, a camera with a shallow depth of field, that is marketed as being light and portable and brought to market in the 21st century and REQUIRES you to engage in the less than optimal "focus and recompose" procedure. Hmmm, really really unimpressive Diopter: -3 to +1 - Not that great really, especially when you consider that the Panasonic G1 manages -4 to +4 Warranty - Plain rubbish. What they provide as the Premium Package should in fact be the bare minimum warranty. If this camera is as robust and well made as they claim why on earth don't they back that claim with a generous warranty, a mere 12months warranty tells me that they aren't too confident about their own product. If this camera had arrived on the market 3 years ago, or perhaps 2 years ago even, then it would be an exciting product. But in the current market, where one get compact 20+ Mpixel cams from Canon and Sony, which will soon be followed by cameras in the 30 Mpixel region, I really don't see how this boring spec is gonna cope. I know some will argue that what matters is the image quality/results, but like a car where what really matters is the result (getting to your destination) one is also concerned about how one arrives at the result e.g. air con, ABS brakes, leather seats etc etc (read: nice LCD, good frame rate, excellent AF module etc etc). And apologists for Leica will no doubt compare the cam favourably with some medium format offerings; well, that isn't good enough really because this cam is supposed to be something new, exciting and modern, a kinda hybrid medium format-35mm cam, so it should do a great deal better (not merely equal, or scrape past) on the spec sheet than medium format. However, having said all that, there is definitely something about the cam that draws one's attention; it just looks so damn gorgeous. Regards, To my mind most of the above criticisms still stand but ................... there is something about that DAMNED! camera that is drawing me in ........... grrrrrr! It just looks so damn gorgeous, only God knows how I am gonna be able to control myself when I get to have a studio session with one. My head says Nay! Nay! Nay! A Million Times Nay! but my heart is (rather like someone reaching the point of no return ) saying Yes! Yes! Yes! and that damn Leica S2 promotional video shoot in cuba isn't helping my head over-rule my heart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted September 30, 2009 Share #120 Posted September 30, 2009 You know what--you're right. I won't retract what I said, 'cos I'm in a foul mood today and some people (not the OP) on the forum have made it worse. But that's *my* fault and my stuff to deal with... But honestly, you would think--wouldn't you?--that someone offering an opinion on a medium format camera would at least do their homework, right? A little bit maybe? OK--so here goes: ... Flash sync: 1/125 (and requires in-lens leaf shutter to get to just 1/500 secs) - wholly unimpressive.Again, for the purpose (controlled light), it's more than completely satisfactory and better than any dSLR on the planet without resorting to some multiple flash HSS stuff where you lose light output.... Just for the record: 1/125 is definitely NOT better than any dSLR on the planet; the old Nikon D70 did synch at 1/500 (admittedly, with the help of the sensor), and the D3/x do synch at 1/250; speaking of Leaf Shutter lenses, 1/500 is standard for most LS lenses (all those with a Copal 0 shutter anyway), and the newly announced Phase One LS lenses do synch at 1/800 (1/1600 with certain backs). So, the S2 is definitely neither better than sDLR nor better than LS lenses. It's a nice choice but I highly recommend trying these systems out through a dealer demo or a workshop or anything that will get your hands on it. I have had many people come to me without doing the real homework like this and ask me what they should do next because they simply are not happy with what they bought. All brands included here. No matter what MF system you buy as soon as you drive it off the lot you will lose a lot of money if you change your mind. Just really be sure about it and ask questions, try it , download the raw converters and really put some effort out. Last thing you want is looking at a 40k bill and being really pissed about it. I get these e-mails from folks asking advice and man do I feel really bad for them. But they needed to follow through. Seriously you think I am looking at the S2 for my good health . Not . If I buy this i will shred it to a million pieces figuring out every nit I have to deal with and every road block along the way with it and than weigh it against the good about it . Than i will write the check but not until I go through the effort to find out. So call me the Leica basher or the negative Leica fan boy . It really does not matter because in fact i am not but I will tear anything I buy apart and figure it out first. I did it with my Phase system as well. If you make a mistake here it's load of money, nothing in photography is this expensive but buying in to MF. Take your time Great advice Guy. I did, and this is when I decided not to go through with the CFV 39 which at first I thought would do it for me. After weighing my needing and checking out Hassy & Phase in the real world (not just on specs) I went for a Phase One system instead. I was looking for a system which allowed me to use an AF camera & lenses as well as a tech camera/wide angle camera combo; service in my local & future prospects of the company were a big point for me, and compatibility/openness of the system was the other. The S2, though I considered it, would have meant the need to get a back for the tech/WA camera; lens & accessories range is very limited for now; Hassy and their choice of a closed system wasn't something I was comfortable with; Phase service & rep here is fantastic, so I went for a P45+ with 2 lenses (for now, 28 & 80) and I got a Silvestri Bicam & S5 cameras with three lenses (28, 47, 90) all for about the price of the S2 & 3 lenses. I can use the Phase back on the Silvestri, and the Silvestri - besides being superbly made - differently than Cambo, Arca etc allows me to use the same lenses on both the WA camera and the studio tech camera without too much fuss. I am definitely a very happy camper at the moment, and I am sorry that the S2 wouldn't suit my needs: it looks great and it surely is a great camera, but to me is too little, too late, too expensive in comparison, and - especially - not as flexible as the other DMF options out there. Just my .02 of course, YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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