johnbuckley Posted August 6, 2009 Share #21 Posted August 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This really is following the cycle of the Digital Forum precisely: between 2003 and 2006, the Digital Forum was focused, predominantly, on the Digilux2. It had a great deal of energy as the Digilux2 was introduced in 2004 and more and more Leica film users came over to the ... d side. But the energy began to dissipate... And then there was confirmation that there would be a Digital M... followed by confirmation that the M8 was going to be the brand name... and suddenly things really perked up. I have loved this forum since it first was cleaved out of the Digital forum, but it has gotten slightly less pertinent in the last, oh, six months, as the M8's performance issues have either gone away (M8.2/upgrade), or we've all learned to live with them. There hasn't been THAT much to say about the M8, though it has been nice to see new forum members/M8 users show up. But now that the M9 rumors are quickening, I'm tuning in every morning, just like I used to, to see what's new. Let's keep calling it the M8 forum until there is, in fact, an M9, and then at that point, Andy and others can decide whether to keep a Digital M forum as one whole category, or split it in some way. All in, hear hear for the rumors of an M9... keep 'em coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted August 6, 2009 Share #22 Posted August 6, 2009 What's worse: Writing about rumors, writing about too many people writing about rumors, or commenting about people writing about... ... I heard that it was the former, but that might have been hearsay. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted August 6, 2009 Share #23 Posted August 6, 2009 .... Could we at least put all the M9 talk in one thread, leaving the rest for M8 for which this forum actually is for? Sorry but it's you who are mistaken, "adli". Browse through old thread and you'll find endless pointless debates about acquisitions and specifications. Certainly you'll find little about photography and relatively little about the M8 camera for the past 12-18 months. The main folks that hang out here (with thousands of posts) are bored with their toys and now salivating at the prospect of fresh meat this summer. That is exactly "...what this forum is actually for." So please be more considerate of the residents and the culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 6, 2009 Share #24 Posted August 6, 2009 Sorry but it's you who are mistaken, "adli". Browse through old thread and you'll find endless pointless debates about acquisitions and specifications. Certainly you'll find little about photography and relatively little about the M8 camera for the past 12-18 months. The main folks that hang out here (with thousands of posts) are bored with their toys and now salivating at the prospect of fresh meat this summer. That is exactly "...what this forum is actually for." So please be more considerate of the residents and the culture. Oh c'mon Ken... I understand the humour intended here, but in this case sarcasm is out of place (literally). The Leica forum is a photography forum--but the pictures and picture discussion usually takes place in the photo forum. The M8 forum is (now especially) a forum for using / learning about / technical issues with M digital. I'm not bored in the slightest with my M8, and I've tried to help a lot of people here with their learning curve on digital capture, initial processing and even post-processing. Shooting itself is a different thing, and very personal. And none of that dulls my enthusiasm for a potential M9 release close on. I don't have an M8.2; I'm still shooting the M8 I bought almost 3 years ago. I love it, but I want a full-frame, more up-to-date M digital so I can actually increase my use of Ms in my business. Right now, if I want higher ISO and no green stripe and fast true wide angle lenses, excepting the new luxes (which are still only 28mm FOV on the M8), then I have to use something other than an M. The new 18 is still too slow on the M8 for my use; but on an M9 it will be perfect, with any luck. So let's cut everyone who's excited some slack, here, especially those of us who've been using the M8 a lot for many years. We've earned the right to be excited at even the hint of a new M digital. And the M8 is ever more "mature" technology if not obsolete in some real senses. So what gets discussed here is exactly what you'd expect of a mature technology. If you want photo discussion, then go to the photo forums. But please don't take any more cheap, snide and sarcastic pot shots at those of us who have tried to maintain an M digital technical community here; you should know better than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted August 6, 2009 Share #25 Posted August 6, 2009 But please don't take any more cheap, snide and sarcastic pot shots at those of us who have tried to maintain an M digital technical community here; you should know better than that. Hear him, Hear him (as they used to say in the Houses of Parliament... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted August 6, 2009 Share #26 Posted August 6, 2009 Oh c'mon Ken... I understand the humour intended here, but in this case sarcasm is out of place (literally). ... Shooting itself is a different thing, and very personal. But please don't take any more cheap, snide and sarcastic pot shots at those of us who have tried to maintain an M digital technical community here; you should know better than that. Jamie let me know when I can uncover my ears and you are ready to step off the soap box. A big problem with the forum is more related to the format. I understand that Andreas is using one of the free forum tools and as such it is limited. The problem is in two areas. A somewhat random application of thread placement and re-placement, combined with a limited palette of discussion forums. I am most interested in the final image captured whether it be digital or film. I have not yet found the easy and flowing place where photos and the discussions of composition meaning etc, easily interact. I happen to now prefer shooting with rangefinders and LF. There are indeed some very good forums for LF but the rf's are not yet at the level of end user ease. Not a criticism just an end users observations. I think there should be a rumors forum and all who thrive on gossip and speculation could have the time of their lives. I happen to be interested in discussing and using the tools that I currently possess or are considering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted August 6, 2009 Share #27 Posted August 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Adli, The M8 has been on the market for four years. That is a long time in the new digital camera market. Most of us who have been using our M8s during this time would appreciate an improved model. 'Speculations' on how such a model would look like have circulated for a long time. The last few months many have speculated that Leica would give up on the M-system. -Which resulted in a drop in the 2.hand M8 price. So, speculations on an imminent new model is a good thing, in the times we are living in. It is an indication of that the M-system will indeed survive. This time there is many 'indications' <- the sort of things that nations intelligence organisations act on, that something is coming up 9.9.09. And let's hope that it is a new M-model. Many seems to be stressed when 'speculations on new camera models' come up and react in a antagonistic way towards those who are participating in such 'speculative' discussions. You are free to participate in just any discussion here, - and sustain from participating in the ones you don't find purposeful or interesting. Many of us do find it interesting to 'speculate'. Please respect that. I am convinced that the camera producers find these speculative internet discussions very interesting.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted August 6, 2009 Share #28 Posted August 6, 2009 Jamie, Jamie, Jamie...you're gorgeous! Return to your refutation in a few days or weeks and you may cringe. Just look at how perfectly you played straight into my (admittedly rather sarcastic) reply to the original post. You dived straight into a recitation of... specifications and acquisitions! And your 3,000+ post count since 2006 put the cherry beautifully on my sundae! I suspect that I am more heavily invested in Leica M photography than most folks here. I genuinely enjoy using these cameras and their lenses (when the situation is appropriate). But it's not a religious conviction for me. The original (anonymous) poster lamented that (presumably) he visited and found most discussions to be focused on a camera that does not exist and has not been even announced. He complained that titling this place the "M8 Forum" seems a misnomer. I agreed, but for other reasons. Anyway, seriously Jamie, your enthusiasm for M-style photography is well known here and in no way am I belittling it. Just making the general observation that there's actually relatively little to truly "discuss" here beyond speculation and orienting folks who arrive and start threads like "Just Got An M8 And It's The Awesomest Camera EVER! How Do I Focus It?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 6, 2009 Share #29 Posted August 6, 2009 {snipped} I think there should be a rumors forum and all who thrive on gossip and speculation could have the time of their lives. I happen to be interested in discussing and using the tools that I currently possess or are considering. All (or most) rhetoric aside, if you don't care about the rumours don't read the threads--they're very clearly marked and it's not like they're taking over. You could also always start threads on a final image, but that would happen in the photo forums, right? As I mentioned before, if you want to discuss photography (admittedly with Leica equipment), then the photo forums are there (and I've been following, though not contributing, to a couple of your threads--very interesting stuff, IMO). And FWIW, I'm not on a particular soapbox, actually. But the implicit elitism of Ken's post p****d me off a bit, because there are a few people who duck in here from time to time to complain about the forum but who won't help people less able than themselves achieve a decent white balance or colour correction Nothing against Ken, and I love his work, personally, but the attitude is truly annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 6, 2009 Share #30 Posted August 6, 2009 {snipped}The original (anonymous) poster lamented that (presumably) he visited and found most discussions to be focused on a camera that does not exist and has not been even announced. He complained that titling this place the "M8 Forum" seems a misnomer. I agreed, but for other reasons. Anyway, seriously Jamie, your enthusiasm for M-style photography is well known here and in no way am I belittling it. Just making the general observation that there's actually relatively little to truly "discuss" here beyond speculation and orienting folks who arrive and start threads like "Just Got An M8 And It's The Awesomest Camera EVER! How Do I Focus It?" Fair enough Ken--apology accepted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 6, 2009 Share #31 Posted August 6, 2009 What's worse: Writing about rumors, writing about too many people writing about rumors, or commenting about people writing about... ... It that a rumour? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 6, 2009 Share #32 Posted August 6, 2009 It that a rumour? See my above post, Nicole:) Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 6, 2009 Share #33 Posted August 6, 2009 See my above post, Nicole:)Jeff Oops! (It's been a long day.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share #34 Posted August 6, 2009 Sorry but it's you who are mistaken, "adli". So please be more considerate of the residents and the culture. To me, "tanaka", it seems more as we have different views, not as if I am mistaken. Regarding your last comment, it sounds as you insinuate that I should not state my opinion, a statement I find a bit strange in a discussion forum. And if you read my post carefylly, you will se that my point is that I worry that too many threads all about M9 rumors will overshade the other threads, not that I an against discussing M9, which I am not. Btw, "Adli" is my not so anonymous family name Arne Adli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erg Posted August 6, 2009 Share #35 Posted August 6, 2009 But surely not if it spawns ten duplicated parallel threads within the first week. Contain it (for now) within just a single main thread, so as not to overwhelm the forum, and everybody's happy...no? Don't worry. At the end only the strongest (most authentic) threads will survive. The parallel M9 threads are a precursor of the upcoming new digital M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_tanaka Posted August 6, 2009 Share #36 Posted August 6, 2009 To me, "tanaka", it seems more as we have different views, not as if I am mistaken. Regarding your last comment, it sounds as you insinuate that I should not state my opinion, a statement I find a bit strange in a discussion forum. And if you read my post carefylly, you will se that my point is that I worry that too many threads all about M9 rumors will overshade the other threads, not that I an against discussing M9, which I am not. Btw, "Adli" is my not so anonymous family name Arne Adli Apparently my attempt at ironic humor did not translate well in Oslo. Your offense is badly, badly mistaken. My message was precisely the opposite of your interpretation. Also, I quoted your forum handle because I've no idea that it represents your name, unlike my forum handle which obviously represents my name. Sorry for posting here. Every six months or so I peek in to see what's new (as if such a tour would be informative). It's a bad unproductive habit, I admit. I'll try again to quit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share #37 Posted August 6, 2009 Apparently my attempt at ironic humor did not translate well in Oslo. ... Sorry for posting here. Every six months or so I peek in to see what's new (as if such a tour would be informative). It's a bad unproductive habit, I admit. I'll try again to quit. I would be happy if you stayed on the forum and kept posting, but please cut out the sarcasm and suppresion techniques (insinuating that some posts are less valuable since they are "anonymous"). Anyway, we are far off topic :-) (a phenomen which happends to most of threads if have read on the net the last 20 years) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 6, 2009 Share #38 Posted August 6, 2009 {snipped} Sorry for posting here. Every six months or so I peek in to see what's new (as if such a tour would be informative). It's a bad unproductive habit, I admit. I'll try again to quit. Ken--don't quit. Just bring some of your truly wonderful pictures whenever you come back and forgo the rumour threads till you get an M9! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted August 6, 2009 Share #39 Posted August 6, 2009 Dying? Dunno. Once you get away for the Emnineconjecturist threads it's kinda peaceful. Quiet. No one has criticized me about my irrational affection for my pre-ASPH 50mm Summilux. Zzzzzzzzz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 7, 2009 Share #40 Posted August 7, 2009 Ken you may leave the room........ please knock if you would like to re enter:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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