alexr Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share #21 Posted November 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Many thanks for your contribution. alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 12, 2006 Posted November 12, 2006 Hi alexr, Take a look here M8 jpeg quality. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mike prevette Posted November 12, 2006 Share #22 Posted November 12, 2006 I can only speak of my experience, that being said i think you all are a little off in the head I use JPG all the time. I depend on it. If I can't turn an image around and have it sitting in the email box of my clients within 2 minutes I have to deal with angry phone calls. A lot of money is usually at stake if the right people can't have thier say on something I'm shooting. For my casual shooting, sure i use raw, but only when I know a shot is an absolute masterpiece. I have been shooting dslr's for a few years now, and in the beginning i felt like a lot of the users on this site feel 'why would you shoot jpg when you can shoot raw' But then work place reality set in and i CANT shoot raw all the time. For $5000 I'd expect the camera to put out a jpg at least as good as my 20D. I've made many 13x19" prints from jpgs and have with only a few exceptions been very happy. I shot some dng+jpg's with a m8 yesterday, and I have to admit I was very disappointed. admittedly I was in a very bad mixed lighting environment, but still the AWB was so far off It crushed my little heart. The JPGing itself seemed ok, it definitely seemed like it was clipping the highlights a little much. I really need them to work on this in order for me to be completely happy. Sure I will mostly use the camera for personal use, and with the exception of some reportage, I will not have the time restraints forcing me to shoot jpg, but it's still very important to me. _mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 12, 2006 Share #23 Posted November 12, 2006 Here's a link to a little test I did showing that WB under incandescent is pretty much unusable, but Guy has since shown that IR in the images is likely responsible and an IR filter might clean things up. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/8886-white-balance-jpegs.html?highlight=D2x#post87282 Makes you wonder how long someone in Leica has been messing trying to get AWB working without asking the question "Why won't this b**ch of a camera work?" Tim, you are right, I am first and foremost a poseur and expect the chicks to fall at my feet when they spot the M8 on my shoulder. Actually, I expect JPEGs to meet my needs for the majority of pictures I take because, if they reach the standard of the D2x, I will be more than happy. If you then think my $30000 investment in Leica glass and bodies has been a waste of money, I'm actually inclined, right now, to agree with you. JPEGs are important because Leica need to sell outside the enthusiast fringe. A Goldmund Sachs partner looking for somewhere to spend today's disposable income is not going to want to mess with Capture One. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 12, 2006 Share #24 Posted November 12, 2006 I've posted a couple of M8 JPEG fine images on my flickr stream here; the photos' titles are "IR" and "BW". If you click on the pictures, then select "all sizes" from the list of icons above the photo, and select "original" from the resulting screen, you can see the full-size files. Both are unmanipulated except for a Photoshop leves adjustment to get rid of the no-information segments of the histogram to the left & right. Both look a bit soft as they were shot wide-open at f/1.2. You can clearly see the difference between the shot with the deep red filter and the one without. You can also see bright light sources in the frame with no banding or blobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted November 12, 2006 Share #25 Posted November 12, 2006 Bob, Your Nocti shot at f/5.6 (IR landscape) appears to suffer from incorrect IR focus. Is there a red dot on your Nocti focus scale to indicate the IR focus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 13, 2006 Share #26 Posted November 13, 2006 You know, Vivek, now that I look at it I notice that, but it's in none of the other shots, and this was the first one. I may have shot this one at f/1.2 and only stopped down after I shot it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted November 13, 2006 Share #27 Posted November 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mark,Then, frankly, why would anybody spend £3,000 on a camera if they only want Jpegs? There are plenty of far cheaper options around. The only answer to the rhetorical question above is that such a person would buy an M8 for pose value alone. A lot of photojournalists I know uses only JPGs and have produced wonderful large prints from those same JPGs. U're right in saying that if the M8 is not able to produce good functional JPGs without light streaks, WB problems and blacks turning magenta, then indeed, the whole point of buying an M8 would truly be for pose, not functional value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted November 13, 2006 Share #28 Posted November 13, 2006 I The JPGing itself seemed ok, it definitely seemed like it was clipping the highlights a little much. I really need them to work on this in order for me to be completely happy. Sure I will mostly use the camera for personal use, and with the exception of some reportage, I will not have the time restraints forcing me to shoot jpg, but it's still very important to me. _mike Hi Mike, I was noticing the highlight clipping, too. I adjusted the EV to -2/3 EV and things got better. I am writing it off to my getting used to the metering. I haven't tried my usual trick of lowering the contrast trick yet. My approach is to tune and learn the discipline that nailing the exposure for JPEG, so that I don't fall into the habit of being sloppy and fix it with raw development. After that I hit the raw road to see what can be gained. Now, if the weather would clear up... Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted November 13, 2006 Share #29 Posted November 13, 2006 I've posted a couple of M8 JPEG fine images on my flickr stream here; the photos' titles are "IR" and "BW". Bob Great photos! I suggest that everyone look at all 11 pics. I especially like the B&W one of your daughter under available light that you thought was "a little soft". Not so... take a look at the highlight in the here near eye. Sharp as a tack but with razor thin DOF. Only the M8 and a Noctilux could achieve that. Oh, I forgot the photographer, a steady hand, and a good eye!! Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted November 13, 2006 Share #30 Posted November 13, 2006 Bob (Ross) Are you shooting in "A" mode? The meter seems to me to err on the side of a bit of overexposure (but then, I like my pictures dark...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted November 13, 2006 Share #31 Posted November 13, 2006 Bob (Ross) Are you shooting in "A" mode? The meter seems to me to err on the side of a bit of overexposure (but then, I like my pictures dark...) Yes, A, and I tend to meter on the highlighs, too. When this produced light midtones and clipped highlights, I decided to adjust the EV. I intend on doing a meter check with an ExpoDisc for Auto and Manual. I tend to place the histogram "not all the way to the right" so that I can use a highlight mask to recover detail. I haven't had the M8 long enough to see if any of my usual PP games will work. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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