alexr Posted November 10, 2006 Share #1 Posted November 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) In the spirit of Leica's latest, well received statement, I would like to ask them to consider this idea. How about posting on this forum, weekly, how the investigation / resolution of the issues is going? It would be fascinating to know how your engineers are going about it, learn of the problems they encounteer, and maybe be able to give some input (those of us knowledgeble enough). Even disclosure of any failure, in this supportive and friendly environment, would be seen as positive. We know that producing a digital rangefinder is no mean feat. My take is this: we have all seen in the past how both insitutions and individuals, in a difficult time, have been able to turn things around amazingly, not by retreating in a hole, but actually coming forward with a huge wealth of information. Even their failures have actually become positives, ending up endearing them to their fans/client base even more than before. Example: the Fiat Cinquecento project. When the car maker decided to produce a 21st century version of the iconic little motor, they started The Project. And from day one they involved the italian public (who for historical and cultural reasons are so endeared of the old Cinquecento). Sharing with them all their objectives and problems. It has been a huge PR, and marketing success, as people feel so in the loop. They were so involved they felt they were making the car themselves. Fiat has a commercial success on their hands now. I wonder how other members feel about this idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TSK Posted November 10, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 10, 2006 That would be too stressful for the engineers so I'm afraid that I'm going to say no to this idea. After all, most photographers will only care about the end results so as I've already said in another thread, let Leica take their time because I have never really seen any desperate need to rush and please, this time, they have to make it right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share #3 Posted November 11, 2006 What has asking them to be forthcoming with the information got to do with asking them to rush? No rush needed or even wanted! They can take all the time they need. Indeed, if they were to divulge their doing as they go along, don't you think it would buy them MORE time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 11, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 11, 2006 Alex-- Interesting idea. Maybe we could each post weekly how our latest sexual conquest is going, or our job search, or our theological studies, or our weight loss. No, I don't think we need to know more than that Leica is working on it. What if we got the word one week "Well, we're trying a different glass over the sensor," and the next, "Well, the glass worked fine for IR but caused a great loss of resolution," and the next week,"Well we're trying a novel dichroic approach" etc? Who cares? What they're doing is unimportant until they've done it. Strictly my opinion, understand. They're working on it, my friend! Let them work. When they're ready, they'll tell us the solution. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted November 11, 2006 Alex--What if we got the word one week "Well, we're trying a different glass over the sensor," and the next, "Well, the glass worked fine for IR but caused a great loss of resolution," and the next week,"Well we're trying a novel dichroic approach" etc? Who cares? What they're doing is unimportant until they've done it. Strictly my opinion, understand. --HC Did you see how nasa handled their mars landers project? One was able to follow every aspect. Fascinating. Much more than getting a press release from them saying We've done it (you don't need to know how...)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnguyen Posted November 11, 2006 Share #6 Posted November 11, 2006 Did you see how nasa handled their mars landers project? One was able to follow every aspect. Fascinating. Much more than getting a press release from them saying We've done it (you don't need to know how...)! This is most stupid thread I've read.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 11, 2006 Share #7 Posted November 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is most stupid thread I've read.... Charles-- Welcome to the forum! It took this to shake you out of the woodwork! I agree with your comment and commend you for making it. Alex is sincere, and I think we would all like to know what ideas Leica tries. It's interesting, too, that NASA hasn't updated the Mars landers main rover status page--something they had been doing weekly--since the middle of last month. Maybe they figured out that news of power outages and new software uploads and moving six inches to test the soil were of more interest to the scientists than to the general public. A sincere welcome. Don't let our inanity scare you off! You're needed! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted November 11, 2006 Share #8 Posted November 11, 2006 Alex, This will never happen and should never happen in the corporate world. Leica will not want the competition to know what works and doesn't, let them do their own R&D. It would be extremely time consuming and frustrating for the engineering group as they are completing development and more than a full-time job to figure out what to say / when. My real issue with Leica is that they have NOT stated they will fix the cameras without having to use filters and "when" the cameras would have to be returned for a hardware change of some magnitude, that they will exchange them for new cameras vs. leaving me without a camera for a lengthy time as they do upgrades/repairs. Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamilsukun Posted November 11, 2006 Share #9 Posted November 11, 2006 A burn in period is inevitable for M8 too. All electronic world is living with it. A little mercy also. Afterall everyone in this forum wants a success story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 11, 2006 Share #10 Posted November 11, 2006 (note: I've just been reading on another thread that Leica suppressed details of the problems before the launch of the camera - so my patience isn't so great right now...) A burn in period is inevitable for M8 too. All electronic world is living with it. Why on earth do people keep repeating this type of statement? Although it's true that very few electronic products are totally bug-free, the majority of them DO actually successfully perform the task for which they've been designed. Even though the M8 does seem to successfully take photographs (most of the time), nevertheless, it seems to me that the problems it's facing are of a greater magnitude than is acceptable for a released product, (especially considering its premium price, and market-positioning). These aren't just minor annoyances, they are major HARDWARE problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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