kenneth Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share #41 Posted May 25, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm not saying that the third party lenses are worse either, I haven't used them. But I agree Alifie, we should keep talking about them. And I am considering a CV 15. I remember,when I used Nikon exclusively I got free loan of one of thier super fisheye lenses which was great fun but I would never desire to own one. As far as keeping talking about Cosina Voigtlander lenses, well that is up to the forum board but I would suggest, if this forum continues down this route it might consider having a separate main heading. However I cannot see why they should when Rangefinder Forum is set up to deal with all things Rangefinder, shame about one or two personalities within. Regarding third party lenses being worse than Leica lenses one does not usually find anyone who has made a purchasing error owning up to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Hi kenneth, Take a look here Cosina Voigtlander posts on a Leica Forum- Why?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
kenneth Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share #42 Posted May 25, 2009 It's elitist threads like this one that already made me cancel my membership on this forum once and it might very well make me do so again for good. I don't own any Voigtlander equipment (or zeiss RF gear for that matter). But you have answered your own question. If Voigtlander gear is a way for younger photographers or those who don't have as much disposable income to get involved in rangefinder photography, then it seems relevant to the discussions here. Many use Voigtlander lenses on Leica bodies which would also make them worthy of discussion. I'm not saying Voigtlander or other third-party lenses are better than Leica, but for some photographers they definitely represent a better value since they often cost a small fraction of the closest Leica equivalent. Re canceling your membership because you feel it to be elitist, well really that is a decision you will have to make for yourself but when photographers upgrade to Leica they might then consider transferring thier allegiance to this forum. I don't see the problem with that after all, once they have moved to Leica equipment they may not want to read about thier past preferences preferring to delve deeper into their newly chosen acquisition. Having changed sometime ago from Nikon I have no desire to read about Nikon cameras or optics. Why would I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 25, 2009 Share #43 Posted May 25, 2009 Let's just get one thing straight here. People who use CV lenses, or Canon lenses or Zeiss lenses on their Leicas are very welcome here. They always have been, and they always will be. End of story. If Kenneth wants to think that they shouldn't be discussed here or are not worthy to be used by anyone with a Leica, all he has to do is not read any of the threads that reference CV/Canon/Zeiss lenses. If he stumbles upon one by mistake, there's always the "back button" ready to take him back to the previous page. And for the record, I have bought at least one Leica lens that I have regretted and lost money on selling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 25, 2009 Share #44 Posted May 25, 2009 we can start war with throwing tomatoes instead. remark "elitist" is so funny. I guess I will take same shit from the same jealous people when I start to own Porsche. Angry faces, spits, make a line with key on car, break glass, steal emblem etc. Childish... If one buys new leica things and use 50 years with the same things then the perspective changes suddenly when we look at other sides when people spend millions on changing gears millions times and no peace in the mind under their lifetimes. open up minds, folks. It is not what you spend at the moment without how you use, enjoy, have a relation to dead things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 25, 2009 Share #45 Posted May 25, 2009 It's elitist threads like this one that already made me cancel my membership on this forum once and it might very well make me do so again for good. remember you wrote "elitist" then you suddenly believe that YOU, persona matter when you cancel membership. Who is elitist really? It doesnt make any sense whatever you do or I do. It is even more childish to make a threat. How embarrassing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted May 25, 2009 Share #46 Posted May 25, 2009 *Sigh* I'm truly sorry to see that this thread is stil running because I fear that it is exactly the sort of debate that brings out the worst in people. If the only thing any of us wanted from a camera and lens combination was critically sharp, clinically perfect, sterile images then we would be using the best that technology could provide and money could buy. On a tripod. In a studio. There are many, myself included, who do not want that kind of "perfection". I use Leica for many reasons, not least the sheer tactile joy of the Barnacks and Ms. I use a wide palette of lenses from a Nickel Elmar to a Summilux because no one lens has all the characteristics that I seek. I use a number of CV lenses because I choose to, not because they are all that I can afford. I would never be condescending to another man for his choice of car, suit, watch, or wife. I am certainly not going to do so over his choice of lens. Live and let live - cut the elitist crap. It ill becomes anyone here and reinforces the view of Leica users as snobs more concerned with the box than the bokeh. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted May 25, 2009 Share #47 Posted May 25, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) *Sigh* Live and let live - cut the elitist crap. It ill becomes anyone here and reinforces the view of Leica users as snobs more concerned with the box than the bokeh. Couldn't agree more. I'm sorry that I joined in, should have left this one alone. Tomasis, I in no way meant to imply that my leaving the forum would affect anyone else nor would it have an adverse effect on the forum. What I meant was that I personally don't enjoy reading about how one brand is better than others. For me photography is about the final photographs and also the process of making the photographs. But it certainly isn't about a brand of cameras. I know it's a Leica forum but discussions about third-party cameras and lenses compatible with the Leica M mount seem very relevant to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share #48 Posted May 25, 2009 *Sigh* I'm truly sorry to see that this thread is stil running because I fear that it is exactly the sort of debate that brings out the worst in people. If the only thing any of us wanted from a camera and lens combination was critically sharp, clinically perfect, sterile images then we would be using the best that technology could provide and money could buy. On a tripod. In a studio. There are many, myself included, who do not want that kind of "perfection". I use Leica for many reasons, not least the sheer tactile joy of the Barnacks and Ms. I use a wide palette of lenses from a Nickel Elmar to a Summilux because no one lens has all the characteristics that I seek. I use a number of CV lenses because I choose to, not because they are all that I can afford. I would never be condescending to another man for his choice of car, suit, watch, or wife. I am certainly not going to do so over his choice of lens. Live and let live - cut the elitist crap. It ill becomes anyone here and reinforces the view of Leica users as snobs more concerned with the box than the bokeh. Regards, Bill But Bill there is an elitist element in owning Leica equipment. It is far more expensive, piece by piece than any other 35mm camera on the market save Zeiss Ikon. To some that might be very appealing because there are no wrong or right reasons for own anything it is down to individual personal choice. The fact that you find it necessary to state that you use a number of Cosina Voitglander lenses, not because they are all you can afford, could be viewed as inverted snobbery which equates to elitism. But this thread was started to discuss the issue of those lenses and cameras being discussed on a Leica forum and Andy has just given us chapter and verse on the issue which is very useful. I agree it is time to move on but I appreciated the opportunity to air my views and I thoroughly value all the others who took part. Is that not what a forum is all about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alifie Posted May 25, 2009 Share #49 Posted May 25, 2009 You can get a Cannon 1000F and standard zoom for about a tenner (the battery probably costs more) bargin! Not bad cameras, I would rather have that than nothing, I did once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 25, 2009 Share #50 Posted May 25, 2009 OK. Enough's, enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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