Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 5, 2009 Share #21 Posted May 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Peter i forgot to mention some of them have the leaf shutter in them so they will be a lot more like Hassy in size and weight. For landscape shooters a complete waste of money for leaf lenses which you will never use that capability. Now there was talk of having some lenses that are both leaf and non leaf shutters in them. Obviously that will take longer to get the non leaf lenses out after the release of the leaf shutter lenses but they will be lighter and less costly. Size will not change though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dfarkas Posted May 5, 2009 Share #22 Posted May 5, 2009 Peter i forgot to mention some of them have the leaf shutter in them so they will be a lot more like Hassy in size and weight. For landscape shooters a complete waste of money for leaf lenses which you will never use that capability. Now there was talk of having some lenses that are both leaf and non leaf shutters in them. Obviously that will take longer to get the non leaf lenses out after the release of the leaf shutter lenses but they will be lighter and less costly. Size will not change though Actually, both leaf and non-leaf versions will be available simultaneously.The reduced vibration of a leaf shutter vs. a focal plane shutter might be beneficial to landscape shooters looking to shoot at slower shutter speeds. The non-leaf shutter lenses will cost significantly less, but the leaf-shutter lenses might be more flexible and hold their resale value better (just thinking ahead). I'll try to find out about the weight difference between the two versions. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 5, 2009 Share #23 Posted May 5, 2009 I've never seen a picture of the S2 with its battery pack/grip. Judging by its size with body alone when compared to the D3, I "think" the S2 with grip will definitely be bigger/heavier than the D3/D3x. Body alone, the S2 is bigger than the D700 without MB-10. I personally don't find body size / weight any slightest concern to me, I actually prefer the size of a D3 to the D700 myself but again, I'm speaking for myself only. I've used a RZ67 many years ago, boy, that is clunky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 5, 2009 Share #24 Posted May 5, 2009 Actually, both leaf and non-leaf versions will be available simultaneously.The reduced vibration of a leaf shutter vs. a focal plane shutter might be beneficial to landscape shooters looking to shoot at slower shutter speeds. The non-leaf shutter lenses will cost significantly less, but the leaf-shutter lenses might be more flexible and hold their resale value better (just thinking ahead). I'll try to find out about the weight difference between the two versions. David David I meant in the same focal length like the 70mm for example 2 different versions of it. The ones that have the leaf shutter will first come out in the same focal length than a focal lens would follow later on at a reduced cost and obviously weight since the shutter would be missing. But yes some are focal only. I think the 180mm is focal only. Have to find that chart again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted May 5, 2009 Share #25 Posted May 5, 2009 This size shown in David's pictures is much better than the one in the other blog. Also weight looks ok. I myself used D3 size cmaeras for years and they feel just ok for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted May 5, 2009 Share #26 Posted May 5, 2009 What Leica has said about S2 pricing is that they plan for it to be competitive with comparable (loosely comparable) medium format systems. That is, I think, the best price indicator we have for now. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted May 5, 2009 Share #27 Posted May 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) David I meant in the same focal length like the 70mm for example 2 different versions of it. The ones that have the leaf shutter will first come out in the same focal length than a focal lens would follow later on at a reduced cost and obviously weight since the shutter would be missing. But yes some are focal only. I think the 180mm is focal only. Have to find that chart again. The 35, 70, 120 Macro, and 180 will all be available from the start with leaf or without leaf shutters. If anything, the non-leaf shutter versions will be available first, but most likely they will ship simultaneously. The 24, 30-90, 30 T/S, 100, and 350 will only be available without leaf shutters. Hopefully, this clarifies any confusion. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 5, 2009 Share #28 Posted May 5, 2009 Leica is just as heavy as anything else if not more so. It would appear not from the figures David has posted above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 5, 2009 Share #29 Posted May 5, 2009 David, thanks for those photographs, they're most instructive regarding the size. The rear view of the two cameras is very interesting, one a sleek stylish layout, the other a jumble of buttons. I know which I'd prefer to use <grin>. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 5, 2009 Share #30 Posted May 5, 2009 It would appear not from the figures David has posted above. What numbers Steve. I see nothing posted on weight. But here Regarding the weight issue, the S2 body currently weighs 1.3kg (2lbs 13oz) The lenses I can't find the weight but they are big and heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 5, 2009 Share #31 Posted May 5, 2009 Sorry, thought you were talking about the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 5, 2009 Share #32 Posted May 5, 2009 The 35, 70, 120 Macro, and 180 will all be available from the start with leaf or without leaf shutters. If anything, the non-leaf shutter versions will be available first, but most likely they will ship simultaneously. The 24, 30-90, 30 T/S, 100, and 350 will only be available without leaf shutters. Hopefully, this clarifies any confusion. David Than they changed the information that I got at PMA. I heard it differently. I heard from the same lens like a 70mm the leaf lens would be first and the focal would follow later. But that is better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 5, 2009 Share #33 Posted May 5, 2009 The S2 will be: $12,000 with lens - $15,000 with no lens - $100,000 with a kit zoom - $45,000 body only and available: July 1, 2009 - New Years Day 2011 - Christmas 2010 - Christmas 2009 There! You have now read all those "facts" on a Leica site on the Internet. Each of them is exactly as credible as anything else about the S2 showing up on leicarumors, getdpi (Sorry, Guy), or anywhere else on the Web. Therefore they must ALL be true - right? I can understand pissing and moaning about a real price, a real date, or a real product - but p & m about a rumor is just - stoopid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 5, 2009 Share #34 Posted May 5, 2009 Totally agree. Fast forward to end of summer and let's see the real deal on all of it. Hopefully there will be some economy left or even a photographer still in business. IT SUCKS OUT HERE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted May 5, 2009 Share #35 Posted May 5, 2009 Guy, I posted this and it got orphaned on the previous page. Lots of numbers to chew on. The S2 prototype body weighs 1.3 kg. It is made of milled aluminum, but the production camera will be made of cast magnesium alloy (lighter), and should weigh in at 1.1 - 1.2 kg. This is about the same as a 35mm FF DSLR and about 33% lighter than the Hassy or Phase. For comparison, here are some other weights (all with no lenses and with digital backs for MF systems): PhaseOne 645 - 1.8 kg Hasselblad H3DII - 1.8 kg Sinar Hy6 - 1.9 kg Nikon D3x - 1.3 kg Canon 1DsIII - 1.4 kg Nikon D700 - 1.1 kg Canon 5D II - 1.1 kg David These numbers were taken from their respective manufacturer's spec pages. I'm working on getting specific weights from Leica for the lenses in their leaf/non-leaf versions. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 5, 2009 Share #36 Posted May 5, 2009 I'm actually curious to know whether the back pack has any additional functions, or if it's only acting as a vertical grip as well. Does it make any difference to the camera's shooting capability such as the MB-10 does to a D700? If for some reason one needs to add the grip/battery pack, then the S2 is no longer lighter or much smaller than a Hasselblad or Phase One Mamiya. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 5, 2009 Share #37 Posted May 5, 2009 I'm actually curious to know whether the back pack has any additional functions, or if it's only acting as a vertical grip as well. Does it make any difference to the camera's shooting capability such as the MB-10 does to a D700? If for some reason one needs to add the grip/battery pack, then the S2 is no longer lighter or much smaller than a Hasselblad or Phase One Mamiya. Yes plus I think you have to compare the size and weight of the bodies and a bunch of lenses to get the whole picture. When I do typical small commercial jobs I have around 8 cases of lighting gear including, strobes, reflectors, softboxes, stands, grip accessories, and wires. I bring two tripods (large and medium,) two computers, an 8-17 foot Little Giant ladder, and sometimes I have backgrounds and props. 3 35mm cameras and around 15 lenses only take up two more cases that aren't very large. A Hassy with 4 or 5 lenses would not be so big - assuming I am strong enough to hand hold it when I need to. (I had no problem with a the Rollei 6006 and lenses from 40-350.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted May 5, 2009 Share #38 Posted May 5, 2009 I'm actually curious to know whether the back pack has any additional functions, or if it's only acting as a vertical grip as well. Does it make any difference to the camera's shooting capability such as the MB-10 does to a D700? If for some reason one needs to add the grip/battery pack, then the S2 is no longer lighter or much smaller than a Hasselblad or Phase One Mamiya. The vertical grip for the S2 will hold a second battery for additional capacity. You don't need to use it, but some may find a vertical grip more comfortable. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 6, 2009 Share #39 Posted May 6, 2009 The vertical grip for the S2 will hold a second battery for additional capacity. You don't need to use it, but some may find a vertical grip more comfortable. That's what I figure too but thanks for the confirmation. The additional shutter release on the vertical grip would be a big plus to those who used to work in a portrait orientation ... too bad, it seems to be another big ticket item Leica would ask for at least a grand or may be 2 and 3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted May 6, 2009 Share #40 Posted May 6, 2009 That's what I figure too but thanks for the confirmation. The additional shutter release on the vertical grip would be a big plus to those who used to work in a portrait orientation ... too bad, it seems to be another big ticket item Leica would ask for at least a grand or may be 2 and 3? I have no idea what the price will be. How much is a vertical grip for the H3DII or P1 645? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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