LoSenior Posted March 28, 2009 Share #1 Posted March 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm trying to use the B&W Dynamic/RAW setting and using Capture One to PP the images.When I view the images in the DL4 they look pretty good, but when I load them to C1 they take a Yellow?Green tone. I have to move the Saturation slider to -100 to remove the color. Some of the other pictures are in color in C1. I'm very new to trying out Raw and C1 in particular. I'm not able to complete the process procedures so I can't even post some examples. When I take the pictures in the standard color setting they look fine in C1. I'm able to take B&W in jpeg in they look good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 Hi LoSenior, Take a look here D-Lux 4, B&W RAW&C1 Yellow/Green Tint. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jimbo035 Posted March 28, 2009 Share #2 Posted March 28, 2009 I'm trying to use the B&W Dynamic/RAW setting and using Capture One to PP the images.When I view the images in the DL4 they look pretty good, but when I load them to C1 they take a Yellow?Green tone. I have to move the Saturation slider to -100 to remove the color. Some of the other pictures are in color in C1.I'm very new to trying out Raw and C1 in particular. I'm not able to complete the process procedures so I can't even post some examples. When I take the pictures in the standard color setting they look fine in C1. I'm able to take B&W in jpeg in they look good. On 15.02.09 in another thread viz "Weird White Balance on D-Lux 4", Richard D wrote : "This has been discussed on this forum a few times; it is not a peculiarity of your particular camera. My understanding (someone will correct me if wrong) is that one of the reasons 'dynamic b&w' is so..... dynamic, is that it introduces the equivalent of a green filter. Easily removed from the RAW image by any capture software. I must say it surprised the hell outa me the first time I saw it.....:-) "" It had the same effect on me too. If you don't want to remove the green cast with software. just select Standard B&W instead of Dynamic :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoSenior Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted March 28, 2009 Jimbo,Thanks for the reply. I tried shooting Regular B&W in Raw and opened in C1 and the pictures are in color. I have not downloaded the latest version of C1 and now I'm wondering if that may be the problem. Thanks for your patience and understanding. This has been a learning process for me. Is there some Adobe software that I can use directly from the images from the DL4? It seems that I need to go through C1 first and then into another program? I've been using Adobe Elements to process my jpeg images, but I'm very interested in using RAW images. Thanks, Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo035 Posted March 28, 2009 Share #4 Posted March 28, 2009 Jerry, I am no expert on such matters, as the D-Lux4 is the first camera I have ever had which provides RAW images . Because I use a Mac that is too old to run the latest version of C1, I am using v4.1 (that came with the camera) to upload the RAW images, then move them from C1 Library Folder to a trial version of SilkyPix developer 3 for processing. (Photo Elements 6 is the latest version for a Mac, but still needs a plugin to "support" the D-Lux 4.) However the C1 and Silkypix combination works very well for me. NB Silkypix needs image files (RAW and JPEG) to be on the computer, which is why I use C1 to get them there. I guess other members will come along with their suggestions ... but in the meantime check Silkypix out, if you will :-) SILKYPIX Developer Studio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo035 Posted March 28, 2009 Share #5 Posted March 28, 2009 Sorry,Jerry - missed the first bit , viz. "I tried shooting Regular B&W in Raw and opened in C1 and the pictures are in color. I have not downloaded the latest version of C1 and now I'm wondering if that may be the problem". The are in colour because the camera always takes pictures that way... the firmware converts them to Black and White.... so C1 i s not the problem. Would Leica supply "problem" software ? Well, cynics may say "not intentionally" :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 28, 2009 Share #6 Posted March 28, 2009 I tried shooting Regular B&W in Raw and opened in C1 and the pictures are in color. Jerry, welcome to the forum! As Jim said, RWL images are always in color because that's what the sensor sees, and RAW images are basically unprocessed data from the sensor. There are a lot of ways to convert RAW images to black-and white in post-processing. There have been a number of threads on the topic here, for which you might want to use the forum's search function. I don't know whether any of them recommended methods for use with PS Elements. You don't need to go through Capture One to get a file you can open in PSE. The latest versions of Lightroom, Photoshop and Photoshop Elements all support RWL files directly. If you're using an earlier version that doesn't support the D-Lux 4 files, Adobe offers a free DNG Converter download. That will convert your RWLs to DNGs that your current software probably supports. I'm not very familiar with Capture One, but later versions probably won't do anything different about b/w conversions. (I could be wrong.) That doesn't mean you shouldn't upgrade to a later version of C1, just that that won't solve the color to b/w problem. If you like the b/w JPGs you're getting from the camera, you might just stick with them. From my experience, the more one learns about post-processing, the more addictive it becomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
radfilm Posted May 28, 2011 Share #7 Posted May 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello I too am loving the Dynamic BW mode on the D-Lux4, and yes their is a green cast to the RAW files. This is no big deal as you just change the color temperature in C1 or Lightroom or PS. This is the beauty of RAW. As this is no new news for people that deal with RAW it may be good info for the new Raw shooter. Another thing to look out for is import settings in Lightroom. unless you have the jpeg sidecar file importing setting checked in preferences, the Dynamic BW jpeg file will not load nor be seen. I believe C1 may offer this as a default but not LR3 Another thing that you want to make sure is that you are shooting in Raw/Jpeg mode on the D-Lux4 as it will make both files unless you want only Jpegs. What happens if you only have Raw set in camera is that it that the D-Lux 4 previews in BW but does not make the "Baked In" look that the Dynamic BW offers. As I would like both options anyway I shoot with the Raw/Jpeg setting. I feel the D-Lux 4 processes very cool BW files and it does not look the same converting the Raw files. As always it is best to do photographic experiments to best understand how the camera and software work best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 2, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 2, 2011 you are absolutely correct ..... i remember when i first shot dynamic b&w and then saw these color raw photos that looked like something from my instamatic in 1968. this should also be a teaching point in converting color to b&w inside c1 or any other program. play with the colors first then convert. i like to oversaturate the colors and then covert. makes the filter sliders that much more powerful in their effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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