thrid Posted March 21, 2009 Share #21 Posted March 21, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) How many grandkids do you have ? I think it 's an excellent excuse to buy cameras new.I have no grandkids, not even kids, though I always buy new. Now wanting an R9, never had an Leica SLR, always used Nikon F series. One more thing : I prefer the viewfinder accuracy of the R9 over the R6-2, the latter only being 93 % , as I never crop my photos. Etienne Michiels I've found that in practice the whole 100% vs 93% or 95% issue really doesn't make a difference, unless you are doing very exact copywork or something along those lines. If anything I've noticed that the 5-7% slack has saved my tail on several occasions, as I also don't like to crop. Also the R8/R9 viewfinder is not 100%, but 93% just like the R6.2... "Viewfinder Field: 23 x 25 mm, corresponds to 93 % of the image area (96 % vertical x 97 % horizontal), in conformance with the standardized 35 mm slide format. Viewfinder Magnification: 0.75 x with a 50 mm lens set at infinity and at 0 diopter correction." Thrid Nikon F and Leica shooter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteveYork Posted March 21, 2009 Share #22 Posted March 21, 2009 I have both. They are two very different beasts. The R8 is brilliant at what it does. It's biggest problem is size and weight and the indents on the shutter speed dial should be a lot, lot stiffer. I also wish it was sealed against moisture and dust. The R6.2 has almost everything I want in a mechanical SLR, but may have one of the worst shutter releases on the planet. Even after DAG adjusted mine, the distance the shutter release has to travel is several milimeters, making it feel very mushy. It's a struggle to nail the decisive moment, even with a soft release. Otherwise it's one of the best cameras I've owned. If the shutter release could be fixed and it had a removable prism like a Nikon F, it would be unbeatable. There's been a whole lot of conflicting stuff written on the shutter lag of the R6 and R6.2. The one I have doesn't seem longer then any Nikon I've used in the past, but not being a big SLR user kind of throws my opinion in the waste can. I know that hum at 1/250 makes the shutter sound a lot longer then it is in reality. It's no M, but the shutter lag doesn't seem too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 21, 2009 Share #23 Posted March 21, 2009 I have many R6 & R7 models. I looked at the new R8 and quickly put it down as it is just too big no matter how good the egonomics plus it is all electronic. My R6.2 camera are the pinacle of R camera development to me. There might be a R10 digi some day, but it will be big and expensive. I will use my Nikon D700 for digi cam tasks. Its too big, but ah the images compared to small digi cams. The R8/9 don`t generate a better picture compared to a smaller R camera. Walking around carrying a R8/9 brick is no advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted March 21, 2009 Share #24 Posted March 21, 2009 There's been a whole lot of conflicting stuff written on the shutter lag of the R6 and R6.2. The one I have doesn't seem longer then any Nikon I've used in the past, but not being a big SLR user kind of throws my opinion in the waste can. I know that hum at 1/250 makes the shutter sound a lot longer then it is in reality. It's no M, but the shutter lag doesn't seem too long. It's not so much a lag, as a very long travel. First you can press the release about 2-3mm down to activate the meter. Then it's another 2mm or so to fire the shutter. It feels like you are fishing to know where the release point is. It's those 3-4mm or travel, that makes it feel mushy. Oddly enough I have a similar complaint about my beloved Nikon F, but I would say the travel distance is about 2/3rd of that of the R6.2. In comparsion the the R8/R9 shutter release maybe needs a total of 2-3mm to trigger a shot. It is very crips and responsive. I would compare it to a Nikon F3, F4, F100/F5 The SL on the other hand feels like you're shooting a Leica M, with a mirror box bolted on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted March 21, 2009 Share #25 Posted March 21, 2009 It's not so much a lag, as a very long travel. First you can press the release about 2-3mm down to activate the meter. Then it's another 2mm or so to fire the shutter. It feels like you are fishing to know where the release point is. It's those 3-4mm or travel, that makes it feel mushy. Oddly enough I have a similar complaint about my beloved Nikon F, but I would say the travel distance is about half of that on the R6.2. In comparsion the the R8/R9 shutter release maybe needs a total of 2-3mm to trigger a shot. It is very crips and responsive. I would compare it to a Nikon F3, F4, F100/F5 The SL on the other hand feels like you're shooting a Leica M, with a mirror box bolted on. Oh, I see. I've heard that from others too. And of course you just can't slam your finger down, because you'll make the whole thing shake. And I'm fiddling w/ my R6.2 as I type, and I see the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted March 21, 2009 Share #26 Posted March 21, 2009 ...they even have a brand new unopened R6.2 at the shop i go do. i would love to use that like my MP and hand it down to my grandkids someday. How much does a new, left-over R6.2 cost for now? Just curious. I want to see how grossly I overpaid for mine. It was very much an impulse purchase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
usccharles Posted March 21, 2009 Share #27 Posted March 21, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) probably my arm (and my leg). will let you know when i go to the shop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted March 21, 2009 Share #28 Posted March 21, 2009 How much does a new, left-over R6.2 cost for now? Just curious. I want to see how grossly I overpaid for mine. It was very much an impulse purchase. They've come down a lot in the past 2-3 years. Check KEH Camera: Used Cameras, Digital Cameras, Film Cameras, Laptop Computers and More. or The Photo Village, Inc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaoptik Posted March 21, 2009 Share #29 Posted March 21, 2009 I know that Salgado shot with R6 and R6.2 bodies for many years, but for the life of me I can't understand how he lived with the mushy shutter release. Who knows, maybe Leica custom adjusted his bodies? It's a real shame. The R6/6.2 are so close to perfect. Very small, great metering, very tough and the viewfinder is absolutely brilliant. But that darn shutterlag ruins it. I wonder if Don could modify the camera somehow, but it would probably cost an arm and a leg to get it done... I own a R8 and R6, which is my second body. I do not want to live without her, she is the same sice as my M6. I do not have the problem with the mushy shutter release, my one is soft and precise like the M. I would by an R6- U do not need more camera... Good look Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrlik_mischa Posted March 21, 2009 Share #30 Posted March 21, 2009 Buy both (like I did) - so you have the choice ... Greetings - Mischa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.M Posted March 21, 2009 Share #31 Posted March 21, 2009 Thrid, you are correct : viewfindercoverage of the R9 and R6-2 are the same, 93 %. That 's a turn-off for me as I find 100 % coverage really important for some applications. I think I 'll stick with M rangefinders and F slrs. Etienne Michiels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 21, 2009 Share #32 Posted March 21, 2009 I've owned or borrowed & used every Leica reflex except for the R7 and R9 and if weren't for the DMR the one I'd keep if I were allowed only one would be a Leicaflex SL: ) awesome viewfinder ) short shutter lag ) smooth mirror up-swing ) solid construction ) exceptional sensory feedback ) easily maintained Of the R bodies before the R8 the R6.2 would be my favorite. Some of the earlier R bodies have a much longer shutter lag and lack a mirror pre-release. The R6.2, in common with the other R4 through R7 bodies, has several design features that appear to be shortcuts after having examined the Leicaflexes in detail. For example: ) the tripod socket is attached to the main casting by three tiny screws; when the tripod socket is over-stressed the main casting breaks, and this is NOT an economical repair. Compare this with the Leicaflex SL and SL2 where the tripod socket is attached to a sub-frame that would fail in the event of over-stress. A much more economical repair. ) the aperture stop-down and meter cam follower (and aperture limiter on the R4, R5 and R7) are rings running on rim bearings which are exposed to the elements when changing lenses. These rim bearings can get corroded or gummy very easily, and are a fiddly mess to replace. The first thing you notice where they're causing trouble is that your photos are over-exposed. The SL and SL2 aperture stop-down lever and cam followers are much more robust and much more easily serviced. IMHO for these and related reasons the SL and SL2 will have a longer serviceable lifetime than the R6.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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