Alberti Posted March 10, 2009 Share #1 Posted March 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) In LFI of feb 2009, in the interesting article about Viveza and Silver Efex Pro from Nik Software, it is mentioned that this software is a plug-in for CS2, Aperture - or Photoshop Elements [PSE] "supplied with the M8". Well, that is a nice new add-in to the basket , but how about some longer time users of the M8? [i only got C1 and Leica Digital Capture in my 'pack]'. Isn't it reasonable for older users to be able to 'land their copy' of PSE? I am interested in this NIK software, but don't want to spend all money on two software packs where one, the basic platform, is new to me. Question: Would a special marketing scheme be applicable to this group? The real reason is footprint for Adobe, there would be upgrades in time as people get accoustomed to it and want the full pack. So this makes sense for them. Who supports me in this request? alberti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 Hi Alberti, Take a look here Photoshop Elements now included with M8 - can we get it too?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Shootist Posted March 10, 2009 Share #2 Posted March 10, 2009 I suspect that whole line is a bit of a Type'O. PS CS2 is 3+ years old and they don't mention what version of PS Elements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted March 10, 2009 I suspect that whole line is a bit of a Type'O. PS CS2 is 3+ years old and they don't mention what version of PS Elements. The NIK software would be downloadable into older versions too, as it mentions: This is what the NIK site says: System Requirements: PC = Adobe Photoshop 7 through CS4, Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 through 7.0; MacIntosh: CS2 through CS4 Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0 and 6.0. So whatever version I could obtain, I'd be habby, and there might be more that would really appreciate some 'offer'. alberti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted March 10, 2009 Share #4 Posted March 10, 2009 The NIK software would be downloadable into older versions too, as it mentions: This is what the NIK site says: So whatever version I could obtain, I'd be habby, and there might be more that would really appreciate some 'offer'. alberti I wasn't questioning whether the NIK's software would work with earlier versions of PS or Elements. I was questioning why they used PS CS2 as a reference when CS4 is out. If it's not TypeO then I want my free copy of PS Elements. But then I'd never use it as I already have CS4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 10, 2009 Share #5 Posted March 10, 2009 Hard to imagine that anyone willing to pay for an M8 and lenses would have any interest in Elements. A coupon for discount on CS4 (or a future upgrade if you already had CS4) would be better. In my case, I already had Photoshop so was happy to get C1. I would have had no use at all for Elements (other than to give to one of my kids). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 12, 2009 Share #6 Posted March 12, 2009 On the other hand, freebies like this are usually the older version of the software. That was what was so great about getting C1 with the M8: The product came with a free upgrade to the current version. But in general, a software manufacturer isn't going to give away a copy of his current product. Better to give away an older version to entice the customer to pay for an upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted March 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) On the other hand, freebies like this are usually the older version of the software. That was what was so great about getting C1 with the M8: The product came with a free upgrade to the current version. But in general, a software manufacturer isn't going to give away a copy of his current product. Better to give away an older version to entice the customer to pay for an upgrade. If you look at it from NIK's side, still with the market-share hat on, they are now dependent on installed base of third party software. So they should also move into action. $ 199 (Silver Efex) plus $ 115 for the hosting platform (PSE) is just too much. An older version of PSE would make no problem though PSE7 is already a stripped version if I understand, of Adobe's main product. alberti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted March 12, 2009 Share #8 Posted March 12, 2009 On Leica's website it doesn't mention Elements specifically as included in the scope of supply with the M8/M8.2. Just C1-4. Perhaps a trial is now included on the software CD? Doesn't seem to make much sense though......why bother with Elements when you've got Capture One in the box? Adobe fans would want, probably already have, a full version of Photoshop, and I can't see Leica being able to cater for every piece of add-on software that is available. Perhaps someone who's very recently purchased either camera can shed some light on the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 12, 2009 Share #9 Posted March 12, 2009 ... PSE7 is already a stripped version if I understand, of Adobe's main product. Alberti, that's an interesting one, and it's the way Adobe presents PSE. But in my experience, it kinda is, and kinda isn't, a stripped-down Photoshop. I used PSE for a couple years before buying Photoshop and found little similarity between the two in user interface. Now I've been using Photoshop for about ten years and wanted to help a friend with her new PSE, but I had a very hard time because PSE still bears almost no similarity to Photoshop. So, yes, a lot of the capabilities of Photoshop are also in Photoshop Elements; but the two programs are so different that time spent learning PSE will be of almost no use if a person later moves to Photoshop. I think Adobe sees them and develops them as two completely separate but overlapping products. Knowing what I do now about the two, my feeling is that time and money spent on PSE is wasted if one later moves up to Photoshop, as I think one is likely to do. Photoshop is horrendously expensive and very hard to get into, but I would guess most of us on the forum have bitten that bullet. So although your idea of a collective purchase is excellent, I don't think you'll get many takers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhulbert Posted March 15, 2009 Share #10 Posted March 15, 2009 It is indeed perplexing to imagine someone springing for a M8, but not investing in something akin to a full blown photoshop. I used Elements for years and thought it was fine. I know have CS3 and cannot imagine being stuck with Elements. Sort of like someone saying you can't use your M7 anymore -- go back to this disposable camera I picked up at a wedding . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted March 15, 2009 Share #11 Posted March 15, 2009 I find Elements does all I need andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted March 15, 2009 Share #12 Posted March 15, 2009 It is indeed perplexing to imagine someone springing for a M8, but not investing in something akin to a full blown photoshop. I used Elements for years and thought it was fine. I know have CS3 and cannot imagine being stuck with Elements. Sort of like someone saying you can't use your M7 anymore -- go back to this disposable camera I picked up at a wedding . . . . For a lot of people there's no need for an application as sophisticated as Photoshop. If what you want is simply to capture images and be able to store and print them then there are intermediate level tools available focused on the photographer such as Lightroom and Aperture. These have the features that a photographer needs for the majority of images. Now I'm not deleting my CS4 copy any time soon but I really don't need to use it much these days other than for those images that need 'gardening' or more creative local image manipulation/enhancement. I'm on the Mac and so actually Aperture and the Nik plug-ins gives me 90% of the functionality I would normally use in Photoshop with the exceptions of sophisticated clone or distortion corrections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhulbert Posted March 16, 2009 Share #13 Posted March 16, 2009 Maybe it is because I am a film fan. I find that digital needs a lot of processing to be good, especially B&W. But, willing to accept there are people that are okay with just shooting and minimally processing, but would not expect a M8'er to be such a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 21, 2009 Share #14 Posted March 21, 2009 Been using CS3 for two years now, an upgrade from the free elements 2 that came with my scanner. Elements 2 was passed on to my son who then got a Vista OS computer. He purchased new PSE7 to go with the new computer which I played with while babysitting. The icons are different, the locations are different, but I could adapt. But the big difference is some of the controls are missing or you have to do workarounds or the controls are not "fine" enough to do what I want. One of my favorite techniques is to make skies a little more blue. I go to the channels pallet, duplicate the blue channel, paint on it, make it more contrasty, then load it as a mask to the main image. The sky is only effected then and the mask blocks every other pixel perfectly. Can`t do it with Elements. So it depends on the precision you need or want. Presumably, if you can afford Leica, you are looking at precision. To me a cheap software is like putting a Leica neg through a $50 enlarge with some cheap lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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