carstenw Posted March 4, 2009 Share #41 Posted March 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guy, Leica's stated goal is fashion, so for this segment, the super-wide is not as crucial. The 35mm should be about a 24mm on FF 35mm, so that should do for most people. Only landscapers and perhaps real-estate photographers will miss the 24mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #42 Posted March 4, 2009 Well 70mm being the widest on release puts me out until at least the 35mm hits the streets. No way i can switch systems or anyone for that matter to go in without at least one wide. Instant death for me. Right now I have 3 wides 28,35 and 55mm which is of course 21, 28 and 35mm approximately. They should have bagged the 120 and went 35,70 , 180 to start . Oh well I will wait it out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted March 4, 2009 Share #43 Posted March 4, 2009 Guy, Leica's stated goal is fashion, so for this segment, the super-wide is not as crucial. The 35mm should be about a 24mm on FF 35mm, so that should do for most people. Only landscapers and perhaps real-estate photographers will miss the 24mm. Carsten, I suspect that Guy was referring to the absence of a wide-angle at launch, as (according to David's blog) the 35 f/2.5 (28 f/2 equivalent) won't be immediately available. Hopefully it will follow on soon after though, "early fall 2009" was mentioned, I hope so. (Sorry Guy, your last post wasn't there when I responded!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #44 Posted March 4, 2009 No Thanks Steve for responding that is what I meant . Going to be tough going in without something wide on release. I will question this tomorrow with the leica folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 4, 2009 Share #45 Posted March 4, 2009 The answer is simple.Tell them they have to put the launch back by 3 months. Let us know their reponse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #46 Posted March 4, 2009 No get it in gear and get a 35mm out the door on release . Seriously it could be a issue on release and that is my worry for them. If I had it my way leica should do a 3 lens and a 4 lens kit package. Reason being is there is nothing to support it lens wise right now. In my mind for someone to make a purchase to get this thing rolling is make a 2 kit pricing along with a Body/lens/Extra battery price set. Give some price discount if someone wants a Body/extra battery and 70 than add 2 more lenses 35/120 and a 4 lens kit 35,70,120 and 180 kit price. To me this makes marketing sense , they need to get as much gear in the hands of the buyer before they walk out the store. Than they can come back at a later time as funds allow and add more lenses but you need to get them running with a fairly spread out kit to handle there needs and since everyone has different needs at least give them those basics a wide, normal and medium tele. Than extra batteries and a flash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted March 4, 2009 Share #47 Posted March 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The answer is simple.Tell them they have to put the launch back by 3 months. Let us know their reponse. no don't put the launch back....burn the midnight oil to get the thing done.. or release the specs on the s2 mount and have the chinese make an adapter for other lenses, rollei 40mm , or hassy, mamiya wides..gives those that have the immediate need something to use..they would have one ready next week!! a pro medium format system needs at minimum, a wide, normal, short tele/ macro and telephoto out of the gate..period.. as I write this guy is getting ready to get his hands on the S2..he won't be able to sleep tonight..remember though, this time what happens in vegas has to be shared.. at least in regards to the s2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #48 Posted March 4, 2009 LOL Yes i get this in my hands in the morning and have to drive about 287 miles to get there. Okay i am stealing my wife's 335 I BMW to get there. That little baby just hums at 140 mph that and a couple double shots of espresso and magic i will be there QUICK. ROTFLMAO. I will share my thoughts for sure , you know i am not shy about that one. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted March 4, 2009 Share #49 Posted March 4, 2009 The answer is simple.Tell them they have to put the launch back by 3 months. Let us know their reponse. Oh you are a wag;) It might not be that long...hopefully. Stefan Trippe said in the recent LFI interview that "summer lasts from March to September" so if the S2 is launched in, say, August/September and the 35 f/2.5 ('early fall') in September/October they may not be that far apart. I agree though that ideally a wide-angle should be a available at launch. Hopefully with David, Guy and others there tomorrow we'll know more soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 4, 2009 Share #50 Posted March 4, 2009 Driving at 140 mph, Guy will be in irons, not Las Vegas. I am sure that the good people in Solms know what they're doing. I am also sure that they will have examples of the S2 and its lenses out in the field with the leading exponents of their intended market, even as I type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share #51 Posted March 4, 2009 I understand the concern about lenses, but let's analyze this for a second. Assuming that the S2 will hit the streets in late summer, the 35 is just a month or two behind the first three. Then, a month or two after that you get the 24 and the 30-90 zoom. Really, by the fall you'll have the equivalent of a 19, 28, 50, 100, and 150 with a 24-70 zoom to fill in the holes. By the end of the year Leica should roll out the 30 T/S and 350 (24 and 280). If my memory serves me correctly, the HC line of lenses was pretty limited at the launch of the Hasselblad H1. And, a 28 HCD didn't get introduced until four years later. I'd say that Leica is fully aware they need to come to market with a full system. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #52 Posted March 4, 2009 Thanks David just needed something to pound my fist on the desk with. ROTFLMAO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted March 4, 2009 Share #53 Posted March 4, 2009 Boy, we are turning into a demanding bunch. Leica starts a brand new system within a year of it's announcement and we want it all at once. I can understand the professional application of switching systems and immediate need, but in the meantime, I'll just continue to be absolutely satisfied that this is REALLY happening. I will like the wides for my various applications - but it's okay for me to wait. For Leica, this is absolutely a monumental shift in direction in a very short time. I'm tremendously impressed, thankful, and happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #54 Posted March 4, 2009 Actually for working Pro's i will say we are a very demanding bunch. We already have huge systems to turn too in place and with all systems go like Hassy and Mamiya. Leica wants to jump in and they need to be prepared for it. They gave themselves a lot of time and R&D to put into this project and even hired folks to come on and help. All really great stuff and don't get me wrong I am very good friends with Leica and there folks and i do want them to succeed very much. I am here to give them the support. But there also is a real reality to getting us to buy into this product and a lot of important factors for working Pro's to make a buy decision. If they can meet those expectations than not only do they succeed in making us buy they also will be very successful. We certainly are a small bunch of bandits but hobbyists will look to Pro's buying decisions and no matter what anyone says the power of Pro's buying gear sells gear to the hobbyist in a big way. People dropping from 20k to 40k on a system are not going to be making a mistake anytime soon. It is a very careful and calculated buy decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 4, 2009 Share #55 Posted March 4, 2009 How many hobbyists are going to buy into the S2 system? Not many, I'd wager. These things are going to have to work very hard to pay for their keep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #56 Posted March 4, 2009 Andy i bet more than the Pro's. Wanna bet some donuts on it. LOL Just look at the M8 and even the DMR It really will be interesting to see how this shapes up. The one area we have not talked about much is the DSLR shooter wanting MORE and that one could be a bigger segment than we think. all guess work at this point and next year we maybe laughing about this or crying in our soup. Big risk for Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted March 4, 2009 Share #57 Posted March 4, 2009 For sure - it will be expensive for those like myself that are more 'later payoff' types (freelance and or long term project shooters). If it's as promising as it seems, the investment will be worth it, especially if it offers the system and quality longevity we have come to expect. It's still a great thing to see Leica doing this - successful or not - again, just seeing them moving forward shows great promise to the company. My needs are different than yours Guy, and for your sake professionally, and for Leicas I hope it will be a usable system. I just want to be able to take it far afield, be able to charge it with a solar charger, compose my work, and have it hold up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted March 4, 2009 Share #58 Posted March 4, 2009 Snip...........It is a very careful and calculated buy decision Guy, I hardly pay attention here but even I can recall you selling up three different systems and eulogising about your next "calculated buy decision" (sic), each one, apparently, being the best thing since sliced bread. Are you using any Leica products at the moment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 4, 2009 Share #59 Posted March 4, 2009 Andy i bet more than the Pro's. Wanna bet some donuts on it. LOL Just look at the M8 and even the DMR Most M8 and DMR users had a bag full of lenses already. The S2 will be, what €15,000? $15,000? Just for the body, plus god knows how much for the lenses That's serious cash for a hobbyist where I come from. Especially since your banks have dragged us all into the brown stuff. The M8 and DMR were small beer compared to this investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 4, 2009 Share #60 Posted March 4, 2009 DMR best camera system at the time. Bar None M8 got hung up with RF and great M lenses. Served it's purpose Phase system P25 Plus finally in the right area of file I need and quality I come from a long history of digital and each passing time things change and either you keep up or get buried. 8 years ago to get to MF it took 60k just for the BACK. Obviously I had to readjust my thinking at the time to get the best I could to get to MF and No 35mm system got even close. Finally when the price was right I jumped. It is a matter of economics and timing.I don't have the wealth to just throw money at anything or I would have done it long ago. What you frankly have no clue is this is a business and it needs ROI at every turn or you are dead in the water. You just can't always go for the juggler and have to make sacrifices along the way as you build and maintain your business. Frankly I have had to cheat with every system to get as close to MF quality as i could so you see it as something I see it as progression to hit a goal that I needed. And frankly i don't need you comments on how I run my business or my money or my life . Last time I looked it had my name on the face plate. Leica makes great products and they always have i have enjoyed them and have great images from there gear. I had to sell all my M8 gear to go to medium format. It was a sacrifice I needed to make. I work for clients and my demands are for there needs and not what I always want. Bottom line I will buy any system that gives me the best files at any given time in history after 35 years there has been a lot of changes to this industry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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