thpeters Posted January 15, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am just thinking about this and maybe somebody has already wrote about it, if so sorry for making this tread then. What kind of computer at this moment can handle the big files for the new S2? I have to invest in a new pc system this summer and going to buy the S2 later this year also. I like to have some advise in this. For sure there are in the leica forum some members who can help me out with this. Thanks in advance, Theo Zenfolio | Expression with Light Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thpeters Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted January 15, 2009 thanks you for advise.................. theo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted January 15, 2009 Share #5 Posted January 15, 2009 You need a powerful processor and as much RAM as the computer will take. As with any other file. Apart from probably the RAW format, there won't be anything special about the S2 files that demand a special computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 15, 2009 Share #6 Posted January 15, 2009 I can address this some since I do shoot MF and also use C1. Since the S2 will be C1 friendly and the preferred raw processor you really can get by with a MacBook Pro with 4gb of ram. Now it will will work but won't be the fastest box on the planet although C1 4.6 just improved it's speed greatly. C1 is more processor hungry than Ram hungry and CS4 is more Ram hungry than processor hungry. I would have at least 4gb of Ramm for Cs4 and better yet 8gb total since Cs4 takes 3gb of Ram and some left over for the system itself. Now having said all that I run into a different camp as a Pro and i am built for speed but my needs are different than a hobbyist. So I am heavily maxed out on my Mac Pro with 12gb of Ram running 10k hard drives in Raid O but with a older 2.66 quad core which is as fast right now as a 3.0 box as it is configured right now. The big pluses for any system will be Ram, processor speed and fast hard drives. BTW the biggest boast in the system is running the 10k hard drives. But seriously any modern Mac laptop can process in C1 with effectively. The biggest issue will obviously be storage. I store ALL Raw files on one drive and ALL final processed Tif files on another. Just have to set yourself up properly for storage. Other than that you should really have not many issues if you have some patience when processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted January 15, 2009 Share #7 Posted January 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can address this some since I do shoot MF and also use C1. Since the S2 will be C1 friendly and the preferred raw processor you really can get by with a MacBook Pro with 4gb of ram. Now it will will work but won't be the fastest box on the planet although C1 4.6 just improved it's speed greatly. C1 is more processor hungry than Ram hungry and CS4 is more Ram hungry than processor hungry. I would have at least 4gb of Ramm for Cs4 and better yet 8gb total since Cs4 takes 3gb of Ram and some left over for the system itself. Now having said all that I run into a different camp as a Pro and i am built for speed but my needs are different than a hobbyist. So I am heavily maxed out on my Mac Pro with 12gb of Ram running 10k hard drives in Raid O but with a older 2.66 quad core which is as fast right now as a 3.0 box as it is configured right now. The big pluses for any system will be Ram, processor speed and fast hard drives. BTW the biggest boast in the system is running the 10k hard drives. But seriously any modern Mac laptop can process in C1 with effectively. The biggest issue will obviously be storage. I store ALL Raw files on one drive and ALL final processed Tif files on another. Just have to set yourself up properly for storage. Other than that you should really have not many issues if you have some patience when processing. "any modern mac".. translates to intel processors only.. a 2yr old non-intel g5 with 16 gigs of ram will not run C1 4.6 ..trust me on this, mine doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted January 15, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 15, 2009 Can't say I've ever noticed disk read/write speed to be a major factor --- once you've opened the image, you're working in RAM, so unless you've exceeded your physical RAM and your PC/Mac is using virtual RAM (which is disk space), you're not going to be interacting with the HDD until you write the file out. Having said that, 10k HDDs are a bonus for sure, but I think you'd be fine with the more traditional 7200 RPM variety. However, all the other suggestions are spot on. As much RAM as possible, and as much processing power as possible. I have a Mac Pro with dual quad-core processors running at 3.2 GHz, and 24GB RAM, and performance is very good. And finally, to save lots of money, *do not* buy your extra HDDs and RAM from the OEM. I only buy Macs, so can't speak to PC makers, but Apple's markup on RAM and hard disks is outrageous. By going with a base configuration on RAM and disk drives from the Apple store and buying my own from other resellers, I saved close to $2000.00. And with a Mac, RAM and disk drives are very easy to install yourself --- again, don't know if this is true in the PC world. Best wishes, Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted January 15, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 15, 2009 You said PC so I am assuming you did not mean a MAC. The newest Intel chips are called Core i7 and the motherboards that support them are called X58. There are a few manufacturers of these at the moment and a few PC makers that use them in higher end systems. The new systems use DR3 memory and the current boards have 6 slots. Typically they are used with 6 gigs of memory, but if you can find higher capacity modules, they could go to 12 or more. I am waiting to see if other boards come out with higher memory capacity. DR3 memory is more expensive than DR2, but costs are not that high and are coming down. No doubt these boards and processors will find their way into Macs before long. Make sure you get a graphics card that can make use of CS4's graphic acceleration. With a PC you'll want to go with Vista 64 bit to make use of more than 4 gigs of RAM. CS4 is available in 64 bit mode for PC but not for the Mac. I have a 4 gig XP32 bit system using Dual Core processors and CS4 is pretty good with files that are 300-500 megabytes or so. I often work with larger files but I am sure they are taxing the system and use some disk caching. I don't see any dual processor X58 boards yet and am not sure how much 64 bit CS4 will benefit from a dual processor setup. Boxed Up And Ready To Party - Picture Story - Tom's Hardware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 15, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 15, 2009 Jeff, try specing out a system with Apple now. The RAM and harddrive markups are much lower than in the past. I maxed out my MacBook Pro to 4GB with Apple at a very similar price to doing it myself, and Apple does test the configuration, making it worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thpeters Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted January 15, 2009 Jeff, try specing out a system with Apple now. The RAM and harddrive markups are much lower than in the past. I maxed out my MacBook Pro to 4GB with Apple at a very similar price to doing it myself, and Apple does test the configuration, making it worth it. Thank you all for some inside and advise on this, I appreciate it. I was thinking about te the new 15" Apple Laptop Pro,with extra external storage Theo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 15, 2009 Share #12 Posted January 15, 2009 "any modern mac".. translates to intel processors only.. a 2yr old non-intel g5 with 16 gigs of ram will not run C1 4.6 ..trust me on this, mine doesn't. That is correct the new C1 will only work with Intel processors. I know not fun but time to move up in the food chain on the computer side , almost no getting around using the older boxes anymore as more software will be written for the newer technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 15, 2009 Share #13 Posted January 15, 2009 Can't say I've ever noticed disk read/write speed to be a major factor --- once you've opened the image, you're working in RAM, so unless you've exceeded your physical RAM and your PC/Mac is using virtual RAM (which is disk space), you're not going to be interacting with the HDD until you write the file out. Having said that, 10k HDDs are a bonus for sure, but I think you'd be fine with the more traditional 7200 RPM variety. However, all the other suggestions are spot on. As much RAM as possible, and as much processing power as possible. I have a Mac Pro with dual quad-core processors running at 3.2 GHz, and 24GB RAM, and performance is very good. And finally, to save lots of money, *do not* buy your extra HDDs and RAM from the OEM. I only buy Macs, so can't speak to PC makers, but Apple's markup on RAM and hard disks is outrageous. By going with a base configuration on RAM and disk drives from the Apple store and buying my own from other resellers, I saved close to $2000.00. And with a Mac, RAM and disk drives are very easy to install yourself --- again, don't know if this is true in the PC world. Best wishes, Jeff. Yes the big bonus with the 10k is boot times , applications opening for example CS4 opens in less than 3 seconds and reading and writing files is much quicker. So some computer functions are much quicker with the 10k but Raw processing it will not help as much as proccesing speed in C1 for example and for LR and Camera Ram , Ram will be used more since Adobe is more ram hungry than C1. Trick is get a fast processor out of the gate, since you can't replace that as easy, than buy ram and HD elsewhere besides Apple although I agree the MBP the 4gbs of Ram went down to reasonable levels it used to be 400 bucks for a 2gb chip, not anymore. But now the new 17inch to get 8gb is 1200 dollars at Apple but actually slightly more than OWC but expect that price to come down. If your going MBP 15 inch than certainly max it out and now you can add a 4gb chip for a total of 6gb but that will be about 450 dollars from OWC. Check this out before ordering you may want to only get 2gb from Apple than go for the juggler with 6gb Apple MacBook Pro Memory, Hard Drive upgrades, Installation Guides for 15" and 17" model Core 2 Duo 2.16GHz, 2.2GHz, 2.4GHz, 2.5GHz, and 2.6GHz. at OtherWorldComputing.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted January 15, 2009 Share #14 Posted January 15, 2009 Jeff, try specing out a system with Apple now. The RAM and harddrive markups are much lower than in the past. I maxed out my MacBook Pro to 4GB with Apple at a very similar price to doing it myself, and Apple does test the configuration, making it worth it. Perhaps they've improved Carsten, but they're still ridiculously expensive. I just looked at the Apple store (USA), and to add 4x4GB RAM modules to a Mac Pro (16GB total) would cost $4300.00 USD. I can buy the same amount of RAM from Crucial.com, a very reliable reseller, for $800.00 USD. Similar story on HDDs. Adding 3x1TB drives through the Apple Store costs $450.00 USD apiece, or a total of $1350.00. I can purchase 3 Seagate 7200.11 1TB drives (top notch drives with 5 year warranty) from CostCentral.com, a supplier I've used several times, for $130.00 apiece, or $390.00 total. Net savings for taking a few extra minutes to place two other online orders and not swallowing Apple's exorbitant markups? Almost $4500.00 USD. Granted, not everyone owns a MacPro as I do, so not everyone will have 8 RAM slots and 4 hard drive bays to fill up. But I'm willing to bet that you'll save considerable money with any configuration, at least here in the States. May not hold true for the EU... Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted January 15, 2009 Share #15 Posted January 15, 2009 Thank you all for some inside and advise on this, I appreciate it. I was thinking about te the new 15" Apple Laptop Pro,with extra external storage Theo External storage you'll get a ton of suggestions as well. For cheapest options, you can buy a bare HDD and an enclosure (eSata, firewire, USB, whatever) and build it yourself. But for a more professional solution with full warranties, I'd recommend G Tech drives. There's several of us on this forum that have them (I have two), and they're great. Very reliable, built like a Leica M, and aesthetically they match Apple products perfectly. G-TECHNOLOGY - External Storage Built on Performance, Reliability and Style Best, Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 16, 2009 Share #16 Posted January 16, 2009 Actually now is a good time to be buying a computer since RAM is dirt cheap and 1tb 7200 RPM 32mg cache are around 120 dollars a pop. Again for Mac users Ram at OWC is a good place and HD Newegg has some great prices as well. Look around I have 6 drives in my Mac Pro with making use of one Optical bay that has 2 WD VelcoiRaptor 300gb 10 k drives in it running Raid 0 for scratch disk and raw working files and another 300gb 10 for running my OS. I have these in special mounts for the MacPro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136260. The mounts can be had at MaxUpgrades.com: If your running a MBP may want to look into building a E-Sata setup with OWC boxes and a E-Sata express card but this is not plug and play like Firewire so you have to boot with it connected. Going E-sata is as fast as a internal drive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted January 16, 2009 Share #17 Posted January 16, 2009 If you're open to Mac and a Mac Pro is in your budget, I'd highly recommend it. Mac OS-X is a 64-bit OS and so can work with much more RAM (up to 32 GB if I recall correctly) than 32-bit Windows (which can't quite access 4 GB). There is, of course, 64-bit Windows but it isn't yet easily compatible with many drivers, some software, etc. The RAM ceiling in 32 bit Windows can be a real limitation when one is working with large picture files. I'm running 8 GB of RAM in a Mac Pro and work with files from various digital cameras. It is good to have. The bargain Mac Pro is the 4-core version. It's the least expensive but is still very powerful and much easier to expand/modify than a 24" Imac (which my wife uses for her professional photo editing). Obviously, that Mac Pro uses just one four core processor (instead of two) but the motherboard and everything else seems to be the same as the other Mac Pros. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thpeters Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted January 16, 2009 If you're open to Mac and a Mac Pro is in your budget, I'd highly recommend it. Mac OS-X is a 64-bit OS and so can work with much more RAM (up to 32 GB if I recall correctly) than 32-bit Windows (which can't quite access 4 GB). There is, of course, 64-bit Windows but it isn't yet easily compatible with many drivers, some software, etc. The RAM ceiling in 32 bit Windows can be a real limitation when one is working with large picture files. I'm running 8 GB of RAM in a Mac Pro and work with files from various digital cameras. It is good to have. The bargain Mac Pro is the 4-core version. It's the least expensive but is still very powerful and much easier to expand/modify than a 24" Imac (which my wife uses for her professional photo editing). Obviously, that Mac Pro uses just one four core processor (instead of two) but the motherboard and everything else seems to be the same as the other Mac Pros. Cheers, Thank you Sean, and all others for the response Yes my thinking is really a Mac at home and the new laptop pro for my traveling and then a good external storage what I can take with me during my trips. Theo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted January 16, 2009 Share #19 Posted January 16, 2009 Well then, the first level Mac Pro is about $2200 and that should be very versatile for what you have in mind. Of course, if your budget allows, the shy is the limit with Mac Pro options. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted January 16, 2009 Share #20 Posted January 16, 2009 Well then, the first level Mac Pro is about $2200 and that should be very versatile for what you have in mind. Of course, if your budget allows, the shy is the limit with Mac Pro options. Cheers, Sean Yes, although to echo the point Guy made a couple of times, you really don't want to skimp on the processors. More memory or disk space can be added as budget allows --- the bays are empty and will wait for you. But whatever you buy in CPU you're stuck with. So I would highly recommend dual processors, and ideally go for the 3.0 or 3.2 GHz. As of Snow Leopard (the next major MacOS X release), the entire OS will be multi-core and multi-processor aware, right down to the kernel level. So the dual processors will be leveraged to an extent we have not yet seen in applications from a whole host of developers. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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