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{snipped}Lastly, if you are going to condemn my work, at least pick someone better than Annie Leibovitz as a reference point. To say the least, people can have very different ideas about what constitutes strong work. A lot of commercial work I see leaves me cold.

 

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Man--you ignore a thread for a day or two and look what happens!

 

Sean--that guy is noise, nothing more. I don't know any working pros who aren't engaged in the internet now--what he says about that is saying is ridiculous. It's true Annie L. might not have a blog, but that says nothing :)

 

What he says about your work is, well, just dumb in my books. Your work, needless to say, is great, and as someone who also shoots events I really love your use of natural light.

 

I guess I'm in trouble because I like a lot of Annie's most recent work (you know, the Vogue spreads she's been doing lately).

 

But--and perhaps this is really the point about the M8--I don't think of her as an M shooter anyway; I think of her as a great studio "director". I can't imagine her stuff coming from the whole spirit of an M8 (though lord knows she might be posting on FM *right now* about how she can't wait to get an M8 and hit the streets; I'm sure she could afford to lose a camera or three at 2 AM!)

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I was listening to an NPR broadcast/interview with Annie Leibovitz and she said that in her most recent book "Life in Pictures" many of the family shots were shot with a Leica as it's typically the camera that she always carries with her and the camera that she started with long ago while going through the SF Art Institute (where Imogen Cunningham, Ed Weston, Dorothea Lange, Ansel Adams and many others at one time we faculty members).

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{snipped}Lastly, if you are going to condemn my work, at least pick someone better than Annie Leibovitz as a reference point. To say the least, people can have very different ideas about what constitutes strong work. A lot of commercial work I see leaves me cold.

 

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Man--you ignore a thread for a day or two and look what happens!

 

Sean--that guy is noise, nothing more. I don't know any working pros who aren't engaged in the internet now--what he says about that is saying is ridiculous. It's true Annie L. might not have a blog, but that says nothing :)

 

What he says about your work is, well, just dumb in my books. Your work, needless to say, is great, and as someone who also shoots events I really love your use of natural light.

 

I guess I'm in trouble because I like a lot of Annie's most recent work (you know, the Vogue spreads she's been doing lately).

 

But--and perhaps this is really the point about the M8--I don't think of her as an M shooter anyway; I think of her as a great studio "director". I can't imagine her stuff coming from the whole spirit of an M8 (though lord knows she might be posting on FM *right now* about how she can't wait to get an M8 and hit the streets; I'm sure she could afford to lose a camera or three at 2 AM!)

 

Thanks Jamie. And I realize that many people obviously like Leibowitz's work very much.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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I normally stay out of these kind of threads, but:

 

Thanks to Allan for keeping it from going farther south.

 

Sean - These kind of anonymous attacks are childess and can get under your skin. Congratulations on maintaining your normal calming demeanor and use of facts or in this case photos. You always seem to be respectful, informative, factual, helpful, and last but not least willing to admit an error if one is made. Keep up the good work, and realize that many of us (including myself) gave you a vote of confidence with our wallets by feeling enough value would be received with your reviews to subscribe to RR.

 

Best,

 

Ray

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I normally stay out of these kind of threads, but:

 

Thanks to Allan for keeping it from going farther south.

 

Sean - These kind of anonymous attacks are childess and can get under your skin. Congratulations on maintaining your normal calming demeanor and use of facts or in this case photos. You always seem to be respectful, informative, factual, helpful, and last but not least willing to admit an error if one is made. Keep up the good work, and realize that many of us (including myself) gave you a vote of confidence with our wallets by feeling enough value would be received with your reviews to subscribe to RR.

 

Best,

 

Ray

 

Thanks Ray.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Guy, they have clamped down on the trolls over there recently, since Phil Greenspun reclaimed the steering wheel. But, yes, this site and RFF tend to have fewer - distractions.

 

Boy - talk about "Speak of the Devil and he shall appear." Should have kept my mouth shut. Sorry, Sean!

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Geez Andy they fly around like bats. i tried to keep a level head and instead lost all sense of reality and went shopping . Now this one is just plane nuts but will try it for fun

 

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Than that was not enough. At least this made sense

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Sean's detaled review including sample photographs at

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/leica-digilux2-part2.shtml

were one of the main reasons for my decision of purchasing a Digilux 2.

While we are having the opportunity of seeing samples of his work in this thread, I would strongly suggest all to see the photographs linked above.

 

The essence of Leica images can be re-experienced through these wonderful photographs. Inner dynamics of the Summicron and Sean's unique handling of subtle variations of light.

 

Regards,

Kamil Sukun

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Boy - talk about "Speak of the Devil and he shall appear." Should have kept my mouth shut. Sorry, Sean!

 

Hi Andy,

 

I imagine you didn't actually conjure up this guy. <G> He was among those on RFF who claimed to have proof that the "Seal" poster was for real. He and others probably aren't happy with me about bursting that bubble. But I wasn't happy that people were being conned by that thread. Many took it seriously which was troubling. It could be fun if one understood what was going on but otherwise...

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Sean's detaled review including sample photographs at

Leica Digilux 2 Review. Part Two

were one of the main reasons for my decision of purchasing a Digilux 2.

While we are having the opportunity of seeing samples of his work in this thread, I would strongly suggest all to see the photographs linked above.

 

The essence of Leica images can be re-experienced through these wonderful photographs. Inner dynamics of the Summicron and Sean's unique handling of subtle variations of light.

 

Regards,

Kamil Sukun

 

Thanks very much Kamil. That article sparked it's own controversy because some of the DPReview crowd argued that I must be misquided because I photographed a white supremacist. Go figure...shooting the messenger.... that I would even show that these people exist.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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You may need the asbestos underpants. Sean writes thoughtful and cogent reviews, and is willing to spend the time doing it, along with discussing them here. He seems to want to share his knowledge, and whilst I don't know Annie Leibovitz's opinion on this, I expect she would not spend the time seeding the enthusiasts as Sean does, even if she were to take the time off picture making to write about cameras.

 

Chris

 

Indeed, but a measure of technical expertise is still needed to determine usability in the field. One who knows both. I doubt that Salgado or Leibovitz would have any time for us to begin with.

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Hi Sean,

 

 

You've been under attack enough now, I was there on the thread when this lady attacked you, while typing a defensive contribution hers were removed ( big brother isn't always malicious ),

just read through this thread, o dear. Again.

But about your pics, your architecture an wedding photography doesn't realy appeal to me, the portraits and street work I do realy like.

Real impact, good perception, keep this up.

 

 

regards,

 

 

Fr.

 

 

ps. being a wellknown photographer in my neighbourhood I can't reveal my full name.

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Hi Sean,

 

 

You've been under attack enough now, I was there on the thread when this lady attacked you, while typing a defensive contribution hers were removed ( big brother isn't always malicious ),

just read through this thread, o dear. Again.

But about your pics, your architecture an wedding photography doesn't realy appeal to me, the portraits and street work I do realy like.

Real impact, good perception, keep this up.

 

regards,

 

Fr.

 

ps. being a wellknown photographer in my neighbourhood I can't reveal my full name.

 

Thanks. Although many of my neighbors are cows, they do seem to like the work as well, or maybe it's just the saltiness of the older silver prints.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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This must really be my week.

 

Actually I am a working photographer and I think my work isn't all that bad. At least before you condemn my work entirely, take a look at the subway pictures that are on my site. Most of my pictures are not on the web at all, mostly only the commercial work I do of weddings and architecture. However, since I'm under the microscope once again this week, there's a selection of work also here: Epson R-D1s - Portfolio Sean Reid

 

Lastly, if you are going to condemn my work, at least pick someone better than Annie Leibovitz as a reference point. To say the least, people can have very different ideas about what constitutes strong work. A lot of commercial work I see leaves me cold.

 

Since you seem to consider yourself the judge of what work is good and bad, what is your web site URL? I'd like to see the work that we should be learning from.

 

Sean, not sure what the logic is of someone going after you. Frankly, it's just odd. Recognize that it must be hard to have someone attack you -- especially as an afterthought, and a completely meaningless one at that. But you should know that the people who read this site recognize your contribution and pay no attention. Must be a tough balance for you, but you could leave these kinds of attacks to others to respond to or left alone. Look forward to reading your observations -- no doubt as insightful and helpful as always -- on the image quality of the M. Best, Steven

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Sean, not sure what the logic is of someone going after you. Frankly, it's just odd. Recognize that it must be hard to have someone attack you -- especially as an afterthought, and a completely meaningless one at that. But you should know that the people who read this site recognize your contribution and pay no attention. Must be a tough balance for you, but you could leave these kinds of attacks to others to respond to or left alone. Look forward to reading your observations -- no doubt as insightful and helpful as always -- on the image quality of the M. Best, Steven

 

Sean, As expected, very helpful and insightful 2nd article on the M8. Thank you, gives a real sense of what we can expect from the camera using it in a real world setting. Excellent.

Best, Steven

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