paulmoore Posted November 28, 2008 Share #1 Posted November 28, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I mentioned in a previous thread that I would love to see some samples.. any word on when this might be happening? I seems that the firmware is always the last thing ready on a camera and nobody wants to show anything until it is finished.. but we all know it is never finished.. so show us where you are at! talk about being a pt.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted November 30, 2008 Share #2 Posted November 30, 2008 Official release of the camera is scheduled for August '09 - that's likely about the time frame you'll be able to see either official Leica samples, or samples from early testers. LFI magazine or someone else with internal sources might possibly publish print images - with careful supervision of the processing - a month or so earlier. They did that with the DMR. I saw an Olympus E-30 last weekend, which is only 6 weeks from release, and the rep would not let anyone put cards in it to record images ("Not final firmware"). It's how digital works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted November 30, 2008 Author Share #3 Posted November 30, 2008 Official release of the camera is scheduled for August '09 - that's likely about the time frame you'll be able to see either official Leica samples, or samples from early testers. LFI magazine or someone else with internal sources might possibly publish print images - with careful supervision of the processing - a month or so earlier. They did that with the DMR. I saw an Olympus E-30 last weekend, which is only 6 weeks from release, and the rep would not let anyone put cards in it to record images ("Not final firmware"). It's how digital works. oh, I didn't know they have made Aug 09 the release/ship date. must of missed that in all the frenzy .. I thought they mentioned 2nd quarter. or early summer.. not a full year away from photokina! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted December 15, 2008 Share #4 Posted December 15, 2008 Samples viewed on the web wouldn't exactly be a good approach for a $15,000+ camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 15, 2008 Share #5 Posted December 15, 2008 Samples viewed on the web wouldn't exactly be a good approach for a $15,000+ camera. Why not. They could post full size adjusted tiff files, crops, and even the original raw files. (If converters support it.) I think almost everyone else does this. How better to judge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted December 15, 2008 Share #6 Posted December 15, 2008 The latest LFI has an initial test of the camera. I have seen some samples on-screen in the Leica store, and they are stunningly sharp with beautiful colours. They are still tuning the firmware though, so I just saw a few, so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted December 17, 2008 Share #7 Posted December 17, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it comes out on time it may be a minor miracle. If it comes out at the price (mis) quoted it will be a 'virgin birth'. Given the fantasy management systems operating at Leica at the moment maybe it'll not happen at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share #8 Posted December 18, 2008 If it comes out on time it may be a minor miracle. If it comes out at the price (mis) quoted it will be a 'virgin birth'. Given the fantasy management systems operating at Leica at the moment maybe it'll not happen at all. not sure what you mean by fantasy management - is there something happening or not happening in solms?? nothing is for sure in this economic climate..but who would of thought the euro would be almost the same value as the gbp? seems the continent is not doing as poorly as the US/UK. re samples... I can download just about anything these days.. so leica, put some up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted December 19, 2008 Share #9 Posted December 19, 2008 Not sure what a sample would mean these days unless it was a RAW and untouched file. Almost impossible anymore to tell what is and isn't truth in images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 19, 2008 Share #10 Posted December 19, 2008 Leica Camera AG - Publication LEICA Camera AG - Robert Grischek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share #11 Posted December 19, 2008 Not sure what a sample would mean these days unless it was a RAW and untouched file. Almost impossible anymore to tell what is and isn't truth in images. oh I think lots can be had from an online look at photographs, provided they are done at size and not messed with.. I thought that was a given.. and it is done all the time.. I just looked at a sample of the new phase 65+ back..and when the dmr and m8 came out you could look at samples..that was years ago.. no one is talking about looking at files which have been through who-knows-what and resized and sharpened..etc.. it is amazing what can be downloaded.. really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanBrownlee- M. Phot Posted February 19, 2009 Share #12 Posted February 19, 2009 There is absolutely no reason why sample images can't be posted, downloaded, or viewed at full resolution. We all have the equipment to access the images, so why not give us what we want !? Perhaps no images exist, humm, perhaps the camera doesn't exist (yet). Dear Leica, if you've got images from the S-system, POST THEM, otherwise stop yanking our chain.. Show your customers and potential customers some respect.. We deserve it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 19, 2009 Share #13 Posted February 19, 2009 There is absolutely no reason why sample images can't be posted, downloaded, or viewed at full resolution. We all have the equipment to access the images, so why not give us what we want !? Perhaps no images exist, humm, perhaps the camera doesn't exist (yet). Dear Leica, if you've got images from the S-system, POST THEM, otherwise stop yanking our chain.. Show your customers and potential customers some respect.. We deserve it! Uh, there *were* some images from the S2 back on the Leica site a little while ago. Just not full-res RAW or camera production images, which isn't surprising, since the camera isn't being produced yet! And there's no lack of respect to anyone in not showing something before it's ready! Sorry As for when a next version of the S2 might appear, PMA Las Vegas is only a couple of weeks away now. I'd be surprised if Leica showed no progress on the S2, though of course I could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 19, 2009 Share #14 Posted February 19, 2009 I wouldn't expect any high res images until the firmware is finalised. The last thing Leica want is images with any artifacts being shown. I had the chance to use a DMR before the launch and while I couldn't see any problems with the images I took, I was asked by Leica not to publish them. They were extemely nervous about potentially sub-optimum images being shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 19, 2009 Share #15 Posted February 19, 2009 ..and when the dmr and m8 came out you could look at samples..that was years ago.. That's the whole point. The S2 isn't out yet. When it reaches it's final release firmware, as Steve says, samples will no doubt be made available. It will be in the hands of NDA Delta or beyond testers now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted February 19, 2009 Share #16 Posted February 19, 2009 It's obvious that they don't want to release any RAW-files which show artifacts... But the camera is already capable of extraordinary results - under certain circumstances, why don't they show crops of these pictures like they did in the LFI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinA Posted February 24, 2009 Share #17 Posted February 24, 2009 It's obvious that they don't want to release any RAW-files which show artifacts... But the camera is already capable of extraordinary results - under certain circumstances, why don't they show crops of these pictures like they did in the LFI? I can't think why they would release real samples before the camera is ready for the market. I looked at MF systems at Focus this week, for my kind of work they are much to bulky and heavy. When I shot film I used Pentax 67, so I was surprised that the weight and bulk of 645 digital made the Pentax look feather light. The S2 looks ideal for aerials. Kevin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckhorn_cortez Posted February 28, 2009 Share #18 Posted February 28, 2009 I wouldn't expect any high res images until the firmware is finalised. The last thing Leica want is images with any artifacts being shown. I had the chance to use a DMR before the launch and while I couldn't see any problems with the images I took, I was asked by Leica not to publish them. They were extemely nervous about potentially sub-optimum images being shown. I also had a chance to shoot a pre-production DMR and it had a LOT of artifacts in the images. I sent Leica some RAW images and the answer was, "Yes we know, and we're working on the firmware for the back." I have no problem with Leica not wanting to publish S2 files until they feel they have the image quality exactly the way they want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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