TimF Posted July 1, 2006 Share #1 Posted July 1, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just seen this posted elsewehere http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/56449-4049-2-1.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 1, 2006 Posted July 1, 2006 Hi TimF, Take a look here Road Map for Pana-Leica 4/3rds Lenses. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest Bernd Banken Posted July 1, 2006 Share #2 Posted July 1, 2006 thanks, but pls. translate Cheers Bernd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 1, 2006 Share #3 Posted July 1, 2006 This screen shot must have been posted on the forum at least half a dozen times... After the less than glowing response to the L1, I'm having trouble getting excited about this. That zoom is huge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimF Posted July 1, 2006 Author Share #4 Posted July 1, 2006 The comments on the L-1 to date have all been in regard to prototype models. We shall see what the production camera is like in due course. As for the lenses, they will of course all mount on Olympus bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted July 2, 2006 Share #5 Posted July 2, 2006 Nothing wider than 28mm in 35mm format. :-( What a wonderful new tech. Bloody... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted July 2, 2006 Share #6 Posted July 2, 2006 I hope these pictures posted on DC Watch would help you guys forget about the L1 as soon as possible. http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/06/29/4068.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 2, 2006 Share #7 Posted July 2, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica does not need to offer a complete system of lenses because Olympus offers lenses too. Leica and Panasonic only will offer similar lenses when these are very standard, and they will offer different lenses for a complementary line in other cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 2, 2006 Share #8 Posted July 2, 2006 It's interesting that 28mm equivalent angle of view seems to the widest Leica/Panasonic like to go: Digilux 2, C-Lux, L1 + kit lens, M8 + 21mm Elmarit-M, each of these solutions offers 28mm equivalent angle of view. Sure, we expect a wider offering for the M8 - at a price - but it's as if the manufactuers don't believe we want to go wider. As for the pictures of the L1 and the tiny sensor, the huge body and huge lens, it's definitely not a camera for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 2, 2006 Share #9 Posted July 2, 2006 Mark, I'm sure it's more down to cost and complexity than the manufacturer's disdain for wide lenses. A well corrected fast wide is an expensive beast. Always has been, and I suspect always will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 2, 2006 Share #10 Posted July 2, 2006 I agree that this lower limit is set by what the market will bear in terms of price. It will be interesting to see what's on offer to go wider with the M8, if the 15mm is anything like the Zeiss, price-wise, let alone the 15mm R lens, I can see a lot of interest in the Voigtlander 12 and 15mm, even without the benefits of coding... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbedsted1234 Posted July 2, 2006 Share #11 Posted July 2, 2006 I hope these pictures posted on DC Watch would help you guys forget about the L1 as soon as possible. http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/06/29/4068.html Why should these pictures make us forget about the L1? Regards, Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 2, 2006 Share #12 Posted July 2, 2006 Why should these pictures make us forget about the L1? Regards, Tim Because it's butt-ugly? And seems huge. Not sure about the brickwork sample either. How cheap is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 2, 2006 Share #13 Posted July 2, 2006 Mark, the VC 15mm is a great lens at it's price, but it does have limitations. In particular it's slow. If Leica does release a 15mm at say f2.8, I can't expect it to be anything other than very expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 2, 2006 Share #14 Posted July 2, 2006 Andy I agree, that looks like pretty awful barrel distortion, and this is only a 28mm equivalent field of view. The camera is said to be $1999 including the kit lens; that would be US + tax, figure £1299 or £1349 including VAT. I just come back to the idea of why anyone would buy this camera instead of a D200 and the 18-70 or 18-200 Nikkor for a couple of hundred more. I'm sure someone in Leica/Panasonic understands what they're doing, but I don't. Steve, I agree f4.5 is not very clever but it's only £275. I expect the 15mm f2.8 lens will be a bit over a stop faster and 10 times the price, so the compomise is clear to see. It will be interesting to see what they come up with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 2, 2006 Share #15 Posted July 2, 2006 Mark, there are always the Oly wides: 11-22mm (very nice), 7-14mm & 8mm fish eye. As much as I like RF cameras, I prefer SLRs for ultra wide angle, because I can see the distortion and put it to use better. As for the sensor size to body bulk...yiks! This drives me nuts, too. The 4/3rds sensor is just about the size of the flash shoe and look at the size of the bodies. The FZ-30 from Pany takes the cake. That sensor is about the size of an average sized button on the back of my E-1. The M8 will come the closest to size efficiency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted July 3, 2006 Share #16 Posted July 3, 2006 I hope these pictures posted on DC Watch would help you guys forget about the L1 as soon as possible. Here we go again. I remember going at back to at least the Leica Digilux 1, which I held off on buying for sometime, because there was so much negativity on the Web concerning the perceived quality of posted images and what definitive information could be concluded from them. It was only many months later, that I went back and found posts from those that had actual bought the camera, read the manual, took the time and effort to learned how the use it and its nuance, that very positive comments and output samples began to appear. Similar stories can be told by actual users of the Digital-Module-R, D-Lux 2, Nikon D200 and so on--all of which received knee-jerk reactions upon and prior to introduction. Here's a couple things to keep in perspective: First, unless one can read Japanese, the posted Impress Watch Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 samples present themselves without context. Are these images from a production model with shipping firmware? This article looks like a quick preview with not much intent on in-depth information or testing. Second, it is fairly misleading to judge image quality from compressed jpeg images pulled of the Web and then scrutinized at 1:1 ratio on a computer screen. This has little bearing to the quality of either real world scaled down Web use or actual printed results from Raw files. Leica Digilux 1 files look pretty strange and unconventional when view at 1:1 on screen but yield beautifully detailed prints with film like characteristics. While I have many reservations and concerns about the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1, anticipated image quality is definitely not one of them. Personally, I am going to hold off on prejudging and draw my opinions from well thought out in-depth test reviews and actual hand-ons test results of Raw files printed off of my carefully calibrated system. As far as the original topic of this thread goes, I to am a little disappointed in not seeing more primes, faster and at the wide end of the range being planned. I would also like to see a good digital wide angle PC (perspective correction) lens from anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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