manolo Posted October 9, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sensor upgrade DMR with M8's and vise-versa Since the R & M digital cameras are de-fazed: 1- It would be a grate way to keep up with the competition for upgrading the electronics of both systems. For the DMR now it would mean better high ISO and a faster camera. 2- It would also mean that the software work would not be duplicated and the effort could be directed towards a better end product. 3- You could have a body that is better built and last longer than the competition (like the M8). Maybe even water proof 4- The two systems seem to be different enough not to compete with each other and the complementary potential seems too good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 9, 2006 Posted October 9, 2006 Hi manolo, Take a look here Sensor upgrade DMR with M8's and vise-versa. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
john_f Posted October 10, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 10, 2006 Geronimo, Yes, a new "DMR Mark II" using the Leica M8's new Kodak sensor might very well be the way to go. I just checked the specs of the M8's KAF-10500 and the DMR's KAF-10010 sensors (see links below), and I believe the KAF-10500 would fit in the film gateway of the R9. A few design improvements here and there (e.g. FireWire 800, SDHC support and a new 2 1/2 inch LCD screen, etc.. would be nice) would make a very good interim product until the next all-digital Leica D-SLR. You never know. I would keep an eye out during next PMA '07. Mind you, owners of the current DMR are still waiting for firmware upgrade v1.3 ... P.S. Here are the Kodak links for tech info on the sensors used by Leica: KODAK Image Sensor Solutions - KAF-10010 (Leica DMR) KODAK Image Sensor Solutions - KAF-10500 (Leica M8) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 10, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 10, 2006 Firmware 1.3 should be here anytime is the word I got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 10, 2006 Share #4 Posted October 10, 2006 Firmware 1.3 should be here anytime is the word I got. I was told "Possibly a job for an in house team once the Leica M8 firmware has been finalised." I wouldn't hold your breath... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 10, 2006 Share #5 Posted October 10, 2006 Andy , it was Imacon who did it. They kissed and made up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share #6 Posted October 10, 2006 Yes, a new "DMR Mark II" using the Leica M8's new Kodak sensor might very well be the way to go. John, I was hoping for an upgrade to my existing DMR in a similar way as you would send an M lens for coding. For someone new though, a "DMR Mark II". Then, when there is the full-frame sensor, upgrade the M8. and have an R10 (upgradeable). The 1.3 firmware might be a sufficient upgrade (but no high ISO improvement and maybe even that) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 10, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well new firmware can do several things also . One it could turn our Raw files from 19mgs to the File size of 10 like the M8 which would mean a faster buffer. Interesting ha! Firmware can also improving some of the controls. Now can they increase DR and attack Noise which really maybe the only difference between the M and R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 10, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2006 Well new firmware can do several things also . One it could turn our Raw files from 19mgs to the File size of 10 like the M8 which would mean a faster buffer. Interesting ha! Firmware can also improving some of the controls. Now can they increase DR and attack Noise which really maybe the only difference between the M and R? ooohhh Guy! Are you really hinting on better high ISO DMR through new firmware? Please tell me that you can't tell me that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 10, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 10, 2006 Hmmm , let's just say anything is possible. Also i noticed many folks selling off R gear, i am selling a lens myself but my point is don't go too deep in your pile:D There is a future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbegibson Posted October 10, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 10, 2006 Andy , it was Imacon who did it. They kissed and made up I'm still waiting for firmware updates to include features promised in January of 06 for the Hasselblad H2/CFH. The factory guy's answer is always 'we're working on it' and 'thanks for being patient'. The rep's answer is always 'it should be out in the next two or three weeks'. If Imacon is working on the DMR update, I wouldn't hold my breath. Robbe Gibson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share #11 Posted October 10, 2006 I just checked the specs of the M8's KAF-10500 and the DMR's KAF-10010 sensors, and I believe the KAF-10500 would fit in the film gateway of the R9.] Making a sensor upgrade for the R & M digital camera would just put Leica as the first company that follows something that has been in the back of the minds of photographers for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted October 11, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 11, 2006 I am pretty sure that a DMR MarkII will never happen. They have so tight development possibilities at Leica, that this would be almost suicide. Better to fully work on the R10, whatever this beast may look like (hope FF and 20MP) and have it out in 2008. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 11, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 11, 2006 The one thing I am hoping for with 1.3 is tethered support with the new bundled remote capture software that is coming with the M8 that it will also support the DMR, not a big fan of Flexcolor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi sudarsono Posted October 12, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2006 Hmm same body and mechanics (the viewfinder, shutter and mount) but upgradeable electronics. Like a car, the "body" is M8, the "engine" is a la carte. Sounds possible if continues the trend that electronics keep getting smaller. Anyway, any co-usable parts (batteries for example) are always good news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itn Posted October 12, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 12, 2006 Selling R gear ? No way, I just got back from Italy with my R9 + DMR combo. And the result is superlative. I am seriously considering to buy the other DMR after I get M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruiespanhol Posted October 12, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 12, 2006 I am pretty sure that a DMR MarkII will never happen. They have so tight development possibilities at Leica, that this would be almost suicide. Better to fully work on the R10, whatever this beast may look like (hope FF and 20MP) and have it out in 2008. Peter I full agree whit you Peter is better Leica works on the new R10? then work on new DMR Mark II. Leica neads new R digital body as soon as possible. I whait for then at much time because I don´t like the DMR (to bulky and heavy). Leica please keep on the way for the new R Digital body and faster,faster,faster... Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 12, 2006 Selling R gear ?No way, I just got back from Italy with my R9 + DMR combo. And the result is superlative. I am seriously considering to buy the other DMR after I get M8. That is what i like to hear. Folks don't be giving up too much of your R gear . I sold 2 lenses and going to sell one of my DMR's but don't give up the system there will be a future. Leica will move forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itn Posted October 13, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 13, 2006 Guy, Thanks ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted October 13, 2006 Share #19 Posted October 13, 2006 The idea is good, but no need to use SAME senso. These can be modified quite easily in the automatic design systems used to make the wafers. If there are features they can be incorporated in newer DMR optimized sensors. I believe the M8 sensor is optimized for the short flange to sensor distance, including of set micro-lenses. Wouldnt make sense on a reflex system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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