Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #141 Posted October 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ray what Fogg bag is your called Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ho_co Posted October 12, 2006 Share #142 Posted October 12, 2006 Guy-- E Puts did a 3-part series on the ZM lenses, and counted in the CV 15 as well as the Zeiss version. His verdic (from part II): "If you only need a 15mm occasionally, the Voigtlander is the one to buy, but if you are serious about very wide-angle photography, the 2.8/15mm ZM is the only serious choice for an M user." part I: http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c015.html part II: http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c016.html part III: http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c017.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted October 12, 2006 Share #143 Posted October 12, 2006 -------------- Down the line, it would make sense for Leica to offer alternate versions of the M8 with different finder mags. I've argued that to Leica in the past and we'll see what they do. For now, the task is to just get this initial version out. Cheers, Sean I must say that I had not anticipated this small finder magnification, and when I heard about it, it very nearly made me cancel my order (probably the first in Sweden)! Who wants this neither-this-nor-that 24 mm length? Frankly I expect that there will be some pressure on the Solms people to bring out a .85 X version or so. Yes I can use my 135 mm Tele-Elmar on a Visoflex III, but that's not an elegant rig ... and that lens is one of the best ever to grace an M. The old badger that went directly from cuneiform to computers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 12, 2006 Share #144 Posted October 12, 2006 Guy, You saw the b-laika Fogg Specialist Bags . Your buddies at K&S are stocking US dealers, along with Tamarkin in NY. I also have the soprano for when I just want the camera with lens mounted and a second lens walkaround kit. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #145 Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks Ray there goes more money down the black hole. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #146 Posted October 12, 2006 I must say that I had not anticipated this small finder magnification, and when I heard about it, it very nearly made me cancel my order (probably the first in Sweden)! Who wants this neither-this-nor-that 24 mm length? Frankly I expect that there will be some pressure on the Solms people to bring out a .85 X version or so. Yes I can use my 135 mm Tele-Elmar on a Visoflex III, but that's not an elegant rig ... and that lens is one of the best ever to grace an M. The old badger that went directly from cuneiform to computers. What they can and should do is make different strengths of the magnifer. 1.12 sounds perfect Okay that was a formal request Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 12, 2006 Share #147 Posted October 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the magnification is perfectly chosen. They had to decide what the widest supported lens was going to be and they sensibly decided (since 28mm on a 0.72 is pretty much unusable) to stop at a 32mm EqFoV and a slightly wider finder magnification to make that frame more visible. I argued long and hard (and too late) for a variable magnification finder to eliminate all this add-on stuff but however you configure it, there will inevitably be compromises which will suit some more than others. In the meantime, I'm getting used to the 21/24/28 finder which will handle the Tri-Elmar and the 21mm Elmarit and the finder magnifier which will take care of my 50s, 75 and 90s. The sweet-spot for the 0.72 M7 finder is 35, 50, 75, that's now moved to 24, 28, 35, 50 for the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted October 12, 2006 Share #148 Posted October 12, 2006 Keeping the framelines is necessary. However, I would like my framelines color coded so that I don't get mixed up. Perhaps Red? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 12, 2006 Share #149 Posted October 12, 2006 Mark, I agree with you completely about the VF magnification. (based on my uses and the fact that I wear glasses) With a film M I used 35, 50, 75 and used the magnifier with my 75. With the M8 on the horizon, I purchased a 28 cron to recover the 35 focal length (effective 37). This is easier for me to see in the M8 viewfinder than the 35 was in a .72 film M. The magnifier will now get used on the 50 and 75 lenses with the M8. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #150 Posted October 12, 2006 I must say that I had not anticipated this small finder magnification, and when I heard about it, it very nearly made me cancel my order (probably the first in Sweden)! Who wants this neither-this-nor-that 24 mm length? Well, people have different priorities. I, for one, very much wanted that 24 to have frame lines. The .68 mag is not much different from a .72. As I said in my review, I think the finder mag. chosen was an excellent compromise. Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted October 13, 2006 Share #151 Posted October 13, 2006 Hi Bob, That's an important point about the flash. I like to work at about 28 -35 when I'm photographing dancing at a wedding and I can't do that with the R-D1 because I can't mount the Wein safe-synch and the 21 mm finder all at once. I understand why the M8 doesn't have a PC socket but this is yet another reason why I favor the 24 as an important lens for the M8. Cheers, Sean Sean, I wonder if they could modify the finder to route a contact line from the hot shoe to a PC socket on the finder, or go all the way and do a TTL remote cord socket. Any other hot shoe arrangement would mess up the finder's alignment. Universal Wide-Angle Viewfinder M-flash:D Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 13, 2006 Share #152 Posted October 13, 2006 Sean,I wonder if they could modify the finder to route a contact line from the hot shoe to a PC socket on the finder, or go all the way and do a TTL remote cord socket. Any other hot shoe arrangement would mess up the finder's alignment. Universal Wide-Angle Viewfinder M-flash:D Bob Hi Bob, There's always the possibility of a very shallow adapter (with an output cord) that slides into the hot shoe and, itself, offers a cold shoe. Metz would be the natural company to make this. There are a couple of issues that would need to be considered: Trigger Voltage: the flash used would either need to have a low trigger voltage or there would need to be something in the adapter/cord that works like the Wein to buffer the flash. TTL, etc.: Ideally this flash extension cord (sliding into hot shoe and providing a cold shoe) would carry full electronic contacts to retain TTL and other functions. The off-shoe cord is key as a strobe is more versatile either on a bracket or (as I prefer) held in the left hand. Again, this makes the 24 mm frame lines in the finder even more valuable because a 32 mm EFOV is quite useable and so makes accessory finders much less necessary than they are on the Epson. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 13, 2006 Share #153 Posted October 13, 2006 Again, this makes the 24 mm frame lines in the finder even more valuable because a 32 mm EFOV is quite useable and so makes accessory finders much less necessary than they are on the Epson. Cheers, Sean This was one reason i finally settled on the 24mm . I was trying to get as wide as i can without the external finder for flash work Here is a shot of what Robert uses . The M8 Bible - FM Forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 13, 2006 Share #154 Posted October 13, 2006 Hi Guy, Yes, my Wein safe-synch could be used the same way. The problem with either the current Wein or Rob's set up is that it moves the finder quite a bit above the lens, increasing parallax. What I have in mind is an adapter that adds only, perhaps, a 1/4" to the shoe height. Being that shallow, it would need to feed a short cord out directly from the adapter and that short cord could end in a female plug with full TTL connections, etc. I prefer to keep the accessory finders as close to the lens as possible. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 13, 2006 Share #155 Posted October 13, 2006 I agree the finder really needs to be in the shoe . Been thinking about this. What would be interesting if it could be done from like Paramounts cords is a very thin flat connection the width of the shoe and were talking thin here and slip that over the contacts and put the finder on top . The question is there enough space for this in height , you may have to file down the finder shoe to be thinner and of course we need someone to make such a electrical contact. Seriously i bet Paramount would be interested in making this. Than of course you may have to hack down your finder shoe a little to make it fit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 13, 2006 Share #156 Posted October 13, 2006 I had another thought also . But this one is a real wild hair. Let's think about it for a second . the USB port is used to transfer data. It also is used to shoot tethered . Now if there was a way to hook a flash using a USB port and we connect there. Here is the real issue, does or can the M8 send a signal immeditely upon shutter release to the USB so the flash can sync. i highly doubt it but what if it could and there was a way to make flash see a USB instead of a PC cord. i am sure it can't be done but talk about a alternative way this one is certainly a wild idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted October 13, 2006 Share #157 Posted October 13, 2006 Hi Bob, There's always the possibility of a very shallow adapter (with an output cord) that slides into the hot shoe and, itself, offers a cold shoe. Metz would be the natural company to make this. There are a couple of issues that would need to be considered: Trigger Voltage: the flash used would either need to have a low trigger voltage or there would need to be something in the adapter/cord that works like the Wein to buffer the flash. TTL, etc.: Ideally this flash extension cord (sliding into hot shoe and providing a cold shoe) would carry full electronic contacts to retain TTL and other functions. The off-shoe cord is key as a strobe is more versatile either on a bracket or (as I prefer) held in the left hand. Again, this makes the 24 mm frame lines in the finder even more valuable because a 32 mm EFOV is quite useable and so makes accessory finders much less necessary than they are on the Epson. Cheers, Sean Hi Sean, Following the ideas here, a shoe insert with TTL contacts and a second shoe above for the finder (that might be sloped down to ease parallax correction a bit). A cord out of the rear of the insert ending in a voltage limiter. + PC + hot shoe with TTL contacts, that would go on a side bracket, would be a possible solution. In a year we will probably see the a-la carte options for the wide VF, that would at least accept 21mm lenses. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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