Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 11, 2006 Share #121 Posted October 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Guy, Are you sure that you could easily see the 28 mm frame lines with the 1.25? I doubled checked my notes again and when I tried the M8 with that accessory, the 35 mm frame lines were the widest I could see easily (and I don't wear glasses). Cheers, Sean I was pretty sure of it maybe Ray can confirm . I could almost see the 24mm if I looked around a little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 11, 2006 Share #122 Posted October 11, 2006 I thought about that half case but you need to take it off to get to battery but still maybe worth that hassle for some Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 11, 2006 Share #123 Posted October 11, 2006 I was pretty sure of it maybe Ray can confirm . I could almost see the 24mm if I looked around a little. Hmmm...did there seem to be a decent amount of space around the 28 mm frame when looking straight through it to the subject? Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 11, 2006 Share #124 Posted October 11, 2006 No it was pretty tight but you can see all of the frame. The 24 was getting cut off unless you moved around. We do need to confirm this , I was looking at a lot of glass. I do remember the 24mm though very clearly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #125 Posted October 12, 2006 No it was pretty tight but you can see all of the frame. The 24 was getting cut off unless you moved around. We do need to confirm this , I was looking at a lot of glass. I do remember the 24mm though very clearly Hi Guy, I think when you get a chance to look again, you'll see that the widest frame with some space around it (and throughout it's parallax-correcting movement range in the finder) is the one for the 35. Another writer and I spent some time with this combination in August in order to find out just how wide one could comfortably work with an M8 and magnifier. Any frame line that one has to strain to see (in any parallax-shift position) will end up being a PITA. My advice would be to use the finder itself for a 24 or 28 and then the magnifier (if desired) for longer lenses. As I said in the review, I think the extra mag will be useful for very fast and/or longer lenses such as the Noct., 75/1.4, etc. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #126 Posted October 12, 2006 Yes i have it here and i will just mentally think 35mm as i start making some lens purchases , getting ready to order 2 more in the next day or so. This is the fun part. Hard one to decide is the 75mm focal length if I should get one or not but may save this for after i get the M8 to be sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #127 Posted October 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Saving some lens purchases until after you get the camera might be a good idea. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted October 12, 2006 Share #128 Posted October 12, 2006 Unfortunately, they didn't have the heart to tell her her design was the ugliest design ever in case she had a weepy moment.... No wonder it's being discounted with the lens. Hi Mark, No doubt it does the job, but a comparison to a micrwave oven, on one of the threads here, seemed to be appropriate.. The main problem with external finders is that, for now, they will block the use of flash. On the other hand flash with ultra wides is kind of ify at best. I used auxilary finders for years with Contax RFs and I'm no fan. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #129 Posted October 12, 2006 Hi Bob, That's an important point about the flash. I like to work at about 28 -35 when I'm photographing dancing at a wedding and I can't do that with the R-D1 because I can't mount the Wein safe-synch and the 21 mm finder all at once. I understand why the M8 doesn't have a PC socket but this is yet another reason why I favor the 24 as an important lens for the M8. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #130 Posted October 12, 2006 Hi Mark,No doubt it does the job, but a comparison to a micrwave oven, on one of the threads here, seemed to be appropriate.. The main problem with external finders is that, for now, they will block the use of flash. On the other hand flash with ultra wides is kind of ify at best. I used auxilary finders for years with Contax RFs and I'm no fan. Bob I must be one of very few people who don't care about the appearance of that finder. Pretty is as pretty does. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 12, 2006 Share #131 Posted October 12, 2006 HC - I think this is an attractive option - certainly worth €79 to give it a try. Leica Camera AG - Photography - Camera Protector for M8 The other option I like is this (and I don't mean the M7!) Leica Camera AG - Photography - Wide Camera Carrying Strap Thanks, Mark. I hadn't seen the 'camera protector.' Does look practical. And it's good to know that "it features striking grips on the back and front...." Makes it easier to hold onto in those rough-and-tumble reportage situations, I guess. And I'm definitely with you on the second item; looks all warm and fuzzy, but focused at the same time. No need for striking grips here! (Oh, I was looking at the reddish-brown one in the two bottom pictures....) --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 12, 2006 Share #132 Posted October 12, 2006 Unfortunately, they didn't have the heart to tell her her design was the ugliest design ever in case she had a weepy moment.... No wonder it's being discounted with the lens. I thought it was the other way round--we're paying full price for the finder, but they're discounting the lens as an incentive. First time I've seen it on a camera. It is large, but it looks good to me. I had to turn down the Minolta-made 'universal' finder when I found out I couldn't see even the 28 fov because of my glasses. Very elegant, compact, attractive, but unusable for me. I think with the M8 finder and now with this finder Leica may finally be coming to terms with the fact that some of us geezers wear glasses! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 12, 2006 Share #133 Posted October 12, 2006 Guy, I remember Sean being correct. I wear glasses. I can see the 28 lines fine without the magnifier. If you mount the magnifier I can not. Can I reinforce Sean's recommendation to slow down a little until you get the M8 in hand? Try it with your 35, and get used to the pros/cons of a rangefinder. During your trial/break-in period use the frame line preview lever to see which lenses will work for you. In the RF system it really is an advantage to have some light around the frame lines in all of its positions. I plan to use my 28 & 35 without the magnifier and will use my magnifier with my 50 & 75 lenses. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #134 Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks Ray, i decided what to do . First i decided to get the widest lens were i can see the frame lines, so the 24 is in. Than I have the 35 and i am selling my R lux 50 for the M lux 50. And also get a 15mm V/C that should cover all basis and maybe after i get the camera see about a 75. So 4 lenses is plenty for now. I may wait on the 15 V/C to get reports on it to be sure. But the basic kit of 24,35,50 fits my needs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 12, 2006 Share #135 Posted October 12, 2006 Sounds cool. Maybe we can swap your 24 and my 28 for a few days between us, when we both have an M8 in hand. (Hopefully soon!!!) I would be interested in playing with the 24 and seeing if it is usable for me in the VF or not and what kind of signature it has, since Sean seems to like it so much. I'm not sure if I would like it as I have to move around in the finder to see the lines and because it is paired with the 35 lines. You would also probably find the 28 Cron a very nice lens in how it renders. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #136 Posted October 12, 2006 Ray that sounds like a plan. Yes the 28 still is lurking in my plans. i am going to see how it goes with my 35 1.4 also , that focal length is not my favorite on the R but maybe on the M it maybe better. Really can't lose any money with M lenses for some time, so you will see a lot of shifting around. I had my heart set on the 21 but i know it is a good lens but the 24mm is supposed to be better. the one lens that does interest me and should others as well for the 1500 is the new 28mm 2.8 asph . the lenses i am geting immediately are all well proven lenses so i know they are good choices. Ray when we both get them let's do a day outing somewhere and shoot these bad boys. The only thing left is a Arca plate from RRs to get . i guess get one for the M7, just not sure the width dimensons on this with the grip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #137 Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks Ray, i decided what to do . First i decided to get the widest lens were i can see the frame lines, so the 24 is in. Than I have the 35 and i am selling my R lux 50 for the M lux 50. And also get a 15mm V/C that should cover all basis and maybe after i get the camera see about a 75. So 4 lenses is plenty for now. I may wait on the 15 V/C to get reports on it to be sure. But the basic kit of 24,35,50 fits my needs I think the 24/2.8, 35/1.4 Asph and 50/1.4 Asph are all excellent choices for the M8. We'll see how the CV 15 does on that camera. If you end up wanting fast and wide-ish later on, think about that 28/1.9 Ultron. BTW, there's nothing wrong with the Leica 21, it's the match of focal length to M8 finder that makes me recommend the 24. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #138 Posted October 12, 2006 Yes i wanted to get as wide as I can go with framelines and the 24mm. That , Plus I forgot on those rare days on a tripod if i need more i could use my R 19 with a R to M adapter . it would be guess work but having a 2.5 LCD and the zoom feature it is very easy to do. Sean your right i do have that 28 1.9 stuck in there also , just waiting on your tests on the 28's to see if it would fit in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 12, 2006 Share #139 Posted October 12, 2006 Yes i wanted to get as wide as I can go with framelines and the 24mm. That , Plus I forgot on those rare days on a tripod if i need more i could use my R 19 with a R to M adapter . it would be guess work but having a 2.5 LCD and the zoom feature it is very easy to do. Sean your right i do have that 28 1.9 stuck in there also , just waiting on your tests on the 28's to see if it would fit in. Hi Guy, Actually, with your 19 you could use a 25 mm accessory finder (Voigtlander for example). You wouldn't even need to be on a tripod if you zone focus. Cheers, S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 12, 2006 Share #140 Posted October 12, 2006 Just need to figure the paralax for it and off to the races. The 19 R is a ouutstanding lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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