Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) As I sift through all my choices of M lenses on what I need and what I don't need plus the fact i have a complete R lens kit and who stays and what to sell. I am sitting wondering about that but more important is framelines , some i need and some i don't . Let's say with a 28mm lens and i don't have a 90 mm. Is there a way to take the 90 mm frame lines out and just leave me a uncluttered view of the 28mm. Or take the 75mm out and leave me just the 50mm view or if i bought a 21mm lens and take the 24 out and just leave the 35mm view in. basically can you customize the framelines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sean_reid Posted October 9, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2006 Hi Guy, They can't be removed easily and, over time, I think you'll find that you want to have each of those frames available. The second frame becomes less of a distraction with familiarity. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 9, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 9, 2006 On the a la carte programme for the MP, you could choose different frame sets including removing some of them. Not available on the M8 and, as Sean says, I think you will quickly get used to the pairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted October 9, 2006 Share #4 Posted October 9, 2006 Guy: You will have to ask Leica this question. If they are just the standard frame masks from the M4-p to M7, a technician can probably do what you want or fit a set that do what you want. It is easier, just to get used to having the multiple sets of frame lines. The only ones that gave me problems was when shooting the 75mm, the 50mm lines were very close and you some times found yourself framing with the 50mm lines instead of the 75mm lines and cutting off limbs and the such. If the M8 is later available ala carte, they will probaly do what you want with a factory order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #5 Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks guys that was the one that bothered me was the 50 , 75. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #6 Posted October 9, 2006 What doe's this line mean. Is there a selector. he M8's viewfinder has bright-line frames which appear in the viewfinder depending on the lens used. They are displayed in pairs of 24+35 mm, 28+90 mm and 50+75 mm. This means that if you are using a 50 mm lens you see two frames, one for 50 mm and one for 75 mm, this may seem odd but is fairly quick learned. You can also move the frame selector lever to see if the scene would be better suited to a different lens. The frames (and metering field) also move depending on the lens focal length to compensate for parallax error (because the viewfinder axis is offset from the lens axis). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 9, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The actual frame masks are going to be different in the M8 than they are in the M7 because of the different crop factor, so you can't just swap over M7 parts to the M8. I can see your point about the 50/75 frames being close together and one option for the MP is to do away with the 75 frame. At least with the M8, you can immediately check your images for any signs of head or limb truncation... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 9, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 9, 2006 Guy, that's what the lever to the left hand side of the lens does - as on any film M. The lever has 3 positions which overrides the frame selector setting of the lens to allow you to view each frame set in turn, as in, if I'm looking at an image with a 28mm mounted, I can use the lever to select the frame set for 24/35 to see if the 35mm will provide the coverage I need. It doesn't allow you to see the individual frames though, only in pairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 9, 2006 Yes just saying like the 28-90 if no 90mm lens than you would have a nice clear view of the 28 and so on. Be nice if it was electronice and can control it in the menu's . okay M10 for that one. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 9, 2006 Guy, that's what the lever to the left hand side of the lens does - as on any film M. The lever has 3 positions which overrides the frame selector setting of the lens to allow you to view each frame set in turn, as in, if I'm looking at an image with a 28mm mounted, I can use the lever to select the frame set for 24/35 to see if the 35mm will provide the coverage I need. It doesn't allow you to see the individual frames though, only in pairs. Never even knew that one existed. I thought that was the self timer. See i told you i was a virgin to this system. LOL learn something every day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 9, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 9, 2006 Any half decent Leica technician - DAG, etc. - will be able to remove the framelines that you don't want. I agree with the others that you don't really notice the frame that you are not using but it is nice to have as uncluttered a view as possible (in addition to the usual 50/75 pair, the M8 also has the 24/35 frames in a single view). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks Ian , i will check into that and see what costs would be involved. I would leave the 24 / 35 since i will have those. the 28-90 without the 90 would be nice. 50 and 75 if you did the 50 only than 75 being gone would be less clutered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 9, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 9, 2006 Guy, I was considering removing the 24 and 90 framelines on my M8 when I get it, and confirmed this was possible with Linda during our demo. You can return the camera to Leica USA and they will mask out the framelines that you don't want. They will charge you for this. How much, I don't know. If you remember, I showed you my M5 so that you could see how much less cluttered the VF was with single frame lines vs. the dual lines pairs of the M8. The paired lines of the 24&35 is what drove me to select the 28 Cron over the 24. This way, I would not be sharing and confusing framelines in the viewfineder. I may also remove the 75 lines, in order to simplify the use of the 50. I am used to guestimating the FOV of the 75 on my M5 and it works ok for me. The 75 would probably be my least used FL, so this would be ok. The M8 would then have single frame lines for each of my other lenses. (28, 35, 50) Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 9, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 9, 2006 Guy, I was considering removing the 24 and 90 framelines on my M8 when I get it, and confirmed this was possible with Linda during our demo. Ray That's interesting. There's the answer then. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 9, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 9, 2006 I was considering removing the 24 and 90 framelines on my M8 when I get it, and confirmed this was possible with Linda during our demo. Sounds like they are making alternate sets of frame masks available from the outset for retro-fitting, just like the MP, which paves the way for a future a la carte programme where you will be able to specify the frames you want when ordering the camera. In our early musing on this, we were thinking there might be an LCD used to display single frame lines instead of pairs to avoid the confusion but it wasn't to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 9, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 9, 2006 That's interesting. There's the answer then. Cheers, Sean Interesting that you seemed to think otherwise until a moment ago. I was curious to know what it is about the M8 that makes it more difficult to remove unwanted framelines than is the case with other M cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 9, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 9, 2006 Sounds like they are making alternate sets of frame masks available from the outset for retro-fitting, just like the MP, which paves the way for a future a la carte programme where you will be able to specify the frames you want when ordering the camera. I don't think the frame mask needs to be replaced. My understanding is that to remove a frameline, the technician simply 'paints in' the unwanted frameline on the mask. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge could comment on what is involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 9, 2006 Guy, I was considering removing the 24 and 90 framelines on my M8 when I get it, and confirmed this was possible with Linda during our demo. You can return the camera to Leica USA and they will mask out the framelines that you don't want. They will charge you for this. How much, I don't know. If you remember, I showed you my M5 so that you could see how much less cluttered the VF was with single frame lines vs. the dual lines pairs of the M8. The paired lines of the 24&35 is what drove me to select the 28 Cron over the 24. This way, I would not be sharing and confusing framelines in the viewfineder. I may also remove the 75 lines, in order to simplify the use of the 50. I am used to guestimating the FOV of the 75 on my M5 and it works ok for me. The 75 would probably be my least used FL, so this would be ok. The M8 would then have single frame lines for each of my other lenses. (28, 35, 50) Best, Ray That's correct Ray we did talk about this and wanted to bring it up . I am still debating my lens choices . If I went with a 21mm than i would want the 24 out becuase I could use the full frame even though i may cut off a little, it would be darn close and the 35mm would still be there which I want. Same with the 50 take out the 75 and the 28 i would take out the 90mm. So if I went 21,28,35 and 50 I would have single frame lines for each lens. This whole thing is based on my 21 and 24 selection and my issue is a think I need a 28mm and 35mm for my intended purpose and having the highly recommended 24mm from all my friends is to close to the 28mm. Reason i am struggling with this issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2006 Share #19 Posted October 9, 2006 I think Ray mentioned to me in the demo they just mask it out with tape Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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