albertwang Posted September 23, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I see that the saturation settings list a black and white setting. Presumably this is black and white JPEG? I wonder what the settings for this would be in terms of desaturation process. It's cool to think of this like shooting Tri-X or T-Max? A grave mystery because I know that Leicamen are fanatical black and white shooters. Anyone can explain this setting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 23, 2006 Posted September 23, 2006 Hi albertwang, Take a look here Black and white mode on M8?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sean_reid Posted September 23, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2006 Hi Albert, It works in the usual way, same as other digital cameras. It does allow one to use the all-B&W RAW workflow I've talked about in the reviews because the camera can record a RAW file and a B&W JPEG simultaneously if desired. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 23, 2006 Share #3 Posted September 23, 2006 The B&W quality of the D-Lux 2 surprised me. I expect to see a similar quality in the B&W mode of the M8. This implies a great set of B&W profiles for Capture One LE. When Sean completes his review we will know how good is the native B&W conversion compared to the JFI B&W profiles (for instance). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 23, 2006 Share #4 Posted September 23, 2006 The B&W quality of the D-Lux 2 surprised me.. Me too, they are lovely aren't they? Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 24, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted September 24, 2006 This sounds impressive. I tend to visualize a lot in black and white so basically seeing it that way on the back LCD helps me quite a bit. In fact, it's a different mentality. I rarely find black and white medium as a version of color. Different approach I firmly hold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egpj Posted September 25, 2006 Share #6 Posted September 25, 2006 Hi Albert, It works in the usual way, same as other digital cameras. It does allow one to use the all-B&W RAW workflow I've talked about in the reviews because the camera can record a RAW file and a B&W JPEG simultaneously if desired. Cheers, Sean So the M8 is able to record raw Black and White files? What is going when it does that? Is it just recording one band in raw or is it taking the information from each pixel without assigning the different color bands according to the bayer pattern? That would be exciting. Would be fast and there would be allot of information and just think of the resolution you would gain by being able to use each pixel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 25, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Elbert - no, RAW is always what the sensor saw, so it contains the RGB data regardless. No way to "record one band" since the color bayer filters are built right into the chip. Sean has a technique of editing (choosing shots) from the "B&W" jpegs and using 3rd-party profiles to balance the colors and get final B&W images from the RAW data - which I'll let him explain in more detail, since I'm probably already explaining it badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 25, 2006 Share #8 Posted September 25, 2006 Hi Elbert, Just as Andy said, RAW data is in color (unless one is actually working with a monochrome digital camera). The M8, however, can record a simultaneous RAW and B&W JPEG which is very useful for photographers who prefer an all-B&W workflow. For further explanation of the latter, see the "Working in B&W" section of the Canon 5D article I wrote for Imaging-Resource. Canon EOS-5D Digital Camera Review: Guest Review by Sean Reid Various cameras can do this: R-D1 (with S firmware), 5D, D-Lux 2. etc. My current favorite way to work in B&W is to convert straight to that medium using C1 and a JFI profile (reviewed on my site). Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share #9 Posted September 25, 2006 Nice, having the original RAW file isn't a bad idea especially if you want to tweak the output or adjust the exposure accordingly. Of course, I am most excited about the M8 various saturation mode and allowing one to have max options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted September 28, 2006 Share #10 Posted September 28, 2006 Dedicating my MP to tri-X is what I had in mind. M8 for colour. Yes I know, some people use a digi only workflow. Saying tri-X looks nicer than a digital B&W I don't dare. "ve been bashed before on this forum;-) BTW in RAW I don't care what or how, if there's a need for monochrome: channelmixer > monochrome > voila. Yellow, orange, red, green and bleu filter, everything is there with three channels to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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